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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:48 pm    Post subject: Good value? Reply with quote

What do you gents think of this car - does it look like good value?

Got other cars, so just wanted a 911in the stable for weekends.

Mileage is high...not sure if resale could be a pain???

http://www.dovehousecars.com/car/1229-porsche-911-997--3-8-carrera-4s-coupe-pdk-gen-ii
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not exceptional value imo. Priced right given mileage.

I’d be looking to pay 2 or 3 grand more, for ~60k miles.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get in there and see what deal you can get....nearly xmas market slow at the moment,and if its only a weekend car the mileage won’t be going up loads thumbsup
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...4 services in 87k miles!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impossible to selll on. High twenties a more realistic price Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I might give it a miss based on the feedback!

They will not move on the price - I’ll look elsewhere!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...4 services in 87k miles!


How many services do you expect at 20,000m service intervals?
Personally I change oil at every 6,000 miles but if you stick to Porsches maintainance schedule it is 3 plus initial one.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That car demonstrates the impact of mileage on Porsche prices. If it was identical but with, say, 35k miles the price would be £40k ish I'd expect, maybe more.
I would only buy a 87k miler if I intended to keep it forever.
Of course, if you buy a very low mileage car you daren't drive it otherwise it becomes high mileage and much less valuable; that's the dilemma.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
That car demonstrates the impact of mileage on Porsche prices.


Same for any premium sports car manufacturer
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
Counter Of Beans wrote:
That car demonstrates the impact of mileage on Porsche prices.


Same for any premium sports car manufacturer


Some people on here, very obviously don’t think Porsche are a premium sports car manufacturer, I have to ask, why own one then? Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Impossible to selll on. High twenties a more realistic price Thumb


Sorry Spongebob but that is nonsense. I am guessing you made the comment based on the mileage? It will still be very sellable but will clearly have an impact on the price.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You struggle to find a gen 2 with pdk under £30k. Even private sales.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do think as a gen2 4S with fair spec and from a decent dealer it's quite well as a 10yr old car with the silly Porsche 7k miles pa applied as an ave mile car it would be on 70k so its only 16k over ave. to a low miles weekend only owner that would be ave in 2 yrs time and worth 40k at todays prices. So my feelings are if its going to a low usage owner they are very unlikely to lose money on it in the next few years so it would represent a pretty decent buy. and also even if it went bang at that price you could spend 10k on a Harlech rebuild and it would suddenly be worth early 40k so you still wouldn't lose hardly any money . so I struggle to see how its not a decent buy for someone. Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It apparently has 8 owners which isn’t great.

In the last 2-3 weeks when I contact them they keep telling me the car isn’t drivable, then it is drivable, then not - it seems to keep going into their workshop for repairs...despite them saying they have done a thorough PPI on it.

I know it needed a high pressure fuel pump a couple of weeks ago , they sorted and then said I could come and drive it...but now they are saying all coolant hoses all need changing ???

Number of owners, plus mileage, plus it’s frequent visit to their workshop has put me off - will buy once and by well !!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigLion wrote:
It apparently has 8 owners which isn’t great.

In the last 2-3 weeks when I contact them they keep telling me the car isn’t drivable, then it is drivable, then not - it seems to keep going into their workshop for repairs...despite them saying they have done a thorough PPI on it.

I know it needed a high pressure fuel pump a couple of weeks ago , they sorted and then said I could come and drive it...but now they are saying all coolant hoses all need changing ???

Number of owners, plus mileage, plus it’s frequent visit to their workshop has put me off - will buy once and by well !!!


I agree 8 owners on a 10 yr old car does seem like people weren't happy with it 5 would be what you would expect assuming the OPC pre registered it to hit their targets for kick back, then 1st owner 3 yrs and another 3 in the next 7 years wouldn't seem extreme but 8 mmmm . coolant hoses and high pressure pump on a 10yr old car with high miles also is no great surprise but as you say put it all together and its enough to make anyone think twice I guess . Thumb Thumb as you rightly say plenty of nice ones out there and unless your budget is up to 35k and it must be a gen2 4S no need to bother with it. Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go on Autotrader and the cheapest pdk gen 2 start at £33k and they all have nigh on 90k on the clock.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This C4S seems like good value and not high mileage?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201807308953031?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benbuhagiar wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Impossible to selll on. High twenties a more realistic price Thumb


Sorry Spongebob but that is nonsense. I am guessing you made the comment based on the mileage? It will still be very sellable but will clearly have an impact on the price.


Not really there was a car on here recently with a much higher spec ad lower miles advertised for 30 and he wasn’t selling. He would/did accept high 20’s. A few more miles the trade won’t want it, very limited market among enthusiasts too, at 33k that’s an expensive car.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
benbuhagiar wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Impossible to selll on. High twenties a more realistic price Thumb


Sorry Spongebob but that is nonsense. I am guessing you made the comment based on the mileage? It will still be very sellable but will clearly have an impact on the price.


Not really there was a car on here recently with a much higher spec ad lower miles advertised for 30 and he wasn’t selling. He would/did accept high 20’s. A few more miles the trade won’t want it, very limited market among enthusiasts too, at 33k that’s an expensive car.


You are referring to Les' car, which sold for circa £28.5k or thereabouts. Les wanted his car sold quickly so he could move into his Aston. If he had waited a little longer, he could have got £30k+.

There are plenty of 997 gen 1s and 996s with over 100k miles and they all sell. Gen2 cars are only 10 years old now, so not many at those miles yet.

Of course there is a smaller market for high mileages cars but to say they are unsellable, is still nonsense.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

S models, especially the 4S do price a lot higher than the non-S varieties.
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