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Counter Of Beans
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James M-S wrote:
Or you could compromise with a gen 2 3.6 carrera and cash for mods?
If a Turbocharger lunches itself you’re looking at a 6k bill.


That's what I did; bought a 3.6 Gen 2 then had calipers refurbed, Ohlins R&T fittted, Chrono retrofitted, Sport Design steering wheel and one or two other cosmetic bits done.
I test drove a Gen 2 Turbo and it was waaaay too fast for my limited talents, and more importantly the roads around here. I concluded the £85k price was a waste, since I'd either never use the performance, or would lose my licence, or would kill myself! As Ben says, 345 hp is more than enough in my opinion, although I may be in a minority there.
I understand your point Norfolk & Idea (great user name!) but I prefer to let aggressive drivers overtake or whatever; I don't want to get involved with some eejit in a RS/M/AMG/GTR/Ford Transit whose ego exceeds their intelligence. I am not at all fun at parties, as you might imagine! Bah humbug, in fact.
 
  
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Norfolk & Idea
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
James M-S wrote:
Or you could compromise with a gen 2 3.6 carrera and cash for mods?
If a Turbocharger lunches itself you’re looking at a 6k bill.


That's what I did; bought a 3.6 Gen 2 then had calipers refurbed, Ohlins R&T fittted, Chrono retrofitted, Sport Design steering wheel and one or two other cosmetic bits done.
I test drove a Gen 2 Turbo and it was waaaay too fast for my limited talents, and more importantly the roads around here. I concluded the £85k price was a waste, since I'd either never use the performance, or would lose my licence, or would kill myself! As Ben says, 345 hp is more than enough in my opinion, although I may be in a minority there.
I understand your point Norfolk & Idea (great user name!) but I prefer to let aggressive drivers overtake or whatever; I don't want to get involved with some eejit in a RS/M/AMG/GTR/Ford Transit whose ego exceeds their intelligence. I am not at all fun at parties, as you might imagine! Bah humbug, in fact.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think looking at the bhp number undersells the real world performance of these cars. I know it doesn't seem all that much these days, but in real world vs front engine/rear drive, I'd argue that you could add another 100bhp on the Porsche figure.
Although I've got the S I've gone up against 500bhp+ AMG C63 and on a spirited drive there is nothing in it. Even on long straights, it wasn't like they're pulling away at a rate of knots, at best it's walking away slowly.
So a 345bhp Gen 2 will give you enough modernity as far as the interior goes, a solid engine and enough performance to go up against 99% of the motoring population. You can't go wrong in my book
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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norfolk & Idea wrote:
benbuhagiar wrote:
James M-S wrote:
Or you could compromise with a gen 2 3.6 carrera and cash for mods?

If a Turbocharger lunches itself you’re looking at a 6k bill.


Agreed. 345 BHP is more than enough for our roads. With a PDK gearbox, it does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds.


Ha, keep telling yourself that! I never pick a fight but I've had countless bikes and fast cars sitting aggressively on my tail. Soooo glad I had the turbo! thumbsup


Floor Floor Isn't that what the the baseball bat on the back seat is for Grin Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
Norfolk & Idea wrote:
benbuhagiar wrote:
James M-S wrote:
Or you could compromise with a gen 2 3.6 carrera and cash for mods?

If a Turbocharger lunches itself you’re looking at a 6k bill.


Agreed. 345 BHP is more than enough for our roads. With a PDK gearbox, it does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds.


Ha, keep telling yourself that! I never pick a fight but I've had countless bikes and fast cars sitting aggressively on my tail. Soooo glad I had the turbo! thumbsup


Floor Floor Isn't that what the the baseball bat on the back seat is for Grin Grin Thumb


That's it Phil. But it's just a foam one Smile
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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norfolk & Idea wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
Norfolk & Idea wrote:
benbuhagiar wrote:
James M-S wrote:
Or you could compromise with a gen 2 3.6 carrera and cash for mods?

If a Turbocharger lunches itself you’re looking at a 6k bill.


Agreed. 345 BHP is more than enough for our roads. With a PDK gearbox, it does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds.


Ha, keep telling yourself that! I never pick a fight but I've had countless bikes and fast cars sitting aggressively on my tail. Soooo glad I had the turbo! thumbsup


Floor Floor Isn't that what the the baseball bat on the back seat is for Grin Grin Thumb


That's it Phil. But it's just a foam one Smile


Floor Floor Floor very good mate Thumb
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Alfaian
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love a turbo . The 997 turbo is such a superb looking car in both generations.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
James M-S wrote:
Or you could compromise with a gen 2 3.6 carrera and cash for mods?
If a Turbocharger lunches itself you’re looking at a 6k bill.


That's what I did; bought a 3.6 Gen 2 then had calipers refurbed, Ohlins R&T fittted, Chrono retrofitted, Sport Design steering wheel and one or two other cosmetic bits done.
I test drove a Gen 2 Turbo and it was waaaay too fast for my limited talents, and more importantly the roads around here. I concluded the £85k price was a waste, since I'd either never use the performance, or would lose my licence, or would kill myself! As Ben says, 345 hp is more than enough in my opinion, although I may be in a minority there.
I understand your point Norfolk & Idea (great user name!) but I prefer to let aggressive drivers overtake or whatever; I don't want to get involved with some eejit in a RS/M/AMG/GTR/Ford Transit whose ego exceeds their intelligence. I am not at all fun at parties, as you might imagine! Bah humbug, in fact.


Totally agree. And the more people talk about driving pleasure, engagement, analogue feeling etc the more these cars come into their own. Probably even more so gen 1 than gen 2 but they are all fantastic cars AND there will always be something faster out there but who cares??!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alfaian wrote:
I'd love a turbo . The 997 turbo is such a superb looking car in both generations.

Agree I love the looks of mine and when those turbos kick in it just makes you smile ear to ear!

But agree 911 all models are awesome, we are so lucky Thumb
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Joined: 23 Feb 2016
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: na vs turbo Reply with quote

Ive had both a 997.1 C4S and now a turbo. The NA car sounded a lot better with the PSE but the Turbo feels alot more special as you see a lot less on the road and is a hell of a lot faster. It is also very easy to mod, you can get a reliable 600hp with just a tune and an exhaust.

I bought the Turbo as an investment and i am hopeful that it will not depreciate.I made £6000 in 2 years on my C4S after it went on fire with an insurance claim, so was happy with that. Hopefully the Turbo is less flammable.

I also drove the tiptronic (automatic) version as didn't like it
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, if its a daily, get a 997.1 C2S and if and when it needs an engine rebuild then send it to Hartech. 355bhp is plenty for day to day! I rarely find I can get to the limits in mine safely on public roads and they do make wonderful daily drives.
 
  
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