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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:55 pm    Post subject: Headlights- blissfully ignorant Reply with quote

So my brother in law has a Carrera , lovely car in silver. He is not really into cleaning/detailing but I gave him some help recently. Clay barred the entire car, then 2 stage paint correction and waxed. He was over the moon with it.

IMG_3183 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr



So he mentioned his headlights which were discoloured, hazy and looked awful. No problem I say, bring them around and I will wet sand them and bring them back to shiny.
I chuck them in the garage for a few days and then start work on them. Now normally , on other headlights, I start with 600-800 grit, wet and dry , work my way up to maybe 1500, quick polish and protect. Job done. 
These ones for some reason seemed to have some bastard lacquer on them which was impossible to shift. I went down to 240 wet and still no joy. So had to go dry and 240 at that, never gone that low but needs must.

This is what I was dealing with 

IMG_3196 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr

IMG_3195 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr

IMG_3194 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr


After sanding. I sent him some pictures going dont panic, it will be fine Smile

IMG_3198 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr

IMG_3199 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr


Then worked my way up dry to 1500, then wet from 240, 400, 600, 800, 1000, 1500, 2000 and finally 2500. 
Followed by compounding heavy cut, polish and some sealant. 

Think he was happy with the final results

IMG_3240 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr

IMG_3241 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr

IMG_3242 by Chris Dodsworth, on Flickr



Now this is the funny part. He didn't actually tell me how much these lights are worth !!!  He let me blissfully sand away and only when I handed them back did he mention that they are around £4000 . What a git !!

Surprised Surprised Surprised Surprised

If I had known that, there was no way I would have touched them. Thank god they turned out ok but christ never again.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice 911uk approved Laughing Thumb

could you reveal a secret what did you put on lights to protect it?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

77szymon wrote:
Very nice 911uk approved Laughing Thumb

could you reveal a secret what did you put on lights to protect it?


Cheers Thumb

No secret, you can spend a fortune on ceramic coatings or just put on meguiars headlight protectant, much cheaper and last for about 3 months.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Meguiars-G17110-Headlight-Protectant-295ml/dp/B009YCTGKU
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you or your partner need an idea for xmas, you could always ask for this

£50 ...eekk

https://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/nanolex-si3d-headlight
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...it's rather ironic that a car ostracized and unloved because of it's headlights is the one whose very same headlights are the most valuable?!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG wrote:
...it's rather ironic that a car ostracized and unloved because of it's headlights is the one whose very same headlights are the most valuable?!


I never knew that about the 996. TBH they are a bit weird
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wowzers, top work!

The amount of people I see (usually with French cars) where their headlights are opaque is crazy. Must be like shining a torch through the security frosting you get in the office toilet’s windows ha ha
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice job! I did the same with my litronics with the 3M kit, which was brilliant. I made the mistake of looking up the price of Replacements before I started. My wife would occasionally visit me in the garage and make ‘encouraging’ remarks as I sanded them...

A detailing place near me offers a light polishing service, they finish off with a clear laquer.

When I was polishing them I came to really appreciate the intricacy of the design, I think they are a real feature, ahead of their time- car design now is often about introducing challenging elements.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great work as always.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...like a previous poster I genuinely think the lights are a design highlight adding to the aesthetic not detracting from it....additionally I do wonder if this unique 911 idiosyncrasy will prove to be it's defining highlight in years to come?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG I think shape of these lights already catch up with people, only because some morons point that 996 is ugly there is still some "dogma" about it, same with interior, in my opinion 996 got the best looking door panels....piece of art.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
Nice job! I did the same with my litronics with the 3M kit, which was brilliant. I made the mistake of looking up the price of Replacements before I started. My wife would occasionally visit me in the garage and make ‘encouraging’ remarks as I sanded them...



I love the 'encouraging remarks'. My wife kept walking past me , shaking her head and going " mmm they look buggered" .
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

77szymon wrote:
GMG I think shape of these lights already catch up with people, only because some morons point that 996 is ugly there is still some "dogma" about it, same with interior, in my opinion 996 got the best looking door panels....piece of art.


The 996 is too "modern" looking for the beards-and-sandals brigade who run/ruin the clubs/some forums.

In time though, modern design comes of age.....it even happened to the Mondeo Mark 1 (eventually)!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine are worse than your's at the start point - do you want a £150 to do mine? Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Headlights Reply with quote

I paid a local body shop the princely sum of £75 to sort mine and clear coat them - without it the yellowing will return quickly.

They still look brand new 6 months on, on my daily drive.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4b4 wrote:
Mine are worse than your's at the start point - do you want a £150 to do mine? Razz


sure if you dont mind me sanding away like a nutter Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look great. Mine are the early lights with the orange strip. I bought a kit on eBay. Advertised as auto cars Best Buy or something like that. Haven’t done it yet though. I’d have the sand paper, polish and all other bits to do it but I didn’t have a sealer. So I’m guessing I could’ve saved on the restoration kit and just sealed it with a coat of laquer which I’m sure I have.
The kit was cheap anyway so it’s no big deal.

I’m glad to see your pictures as I’d be scared of the process but can now see how it goes.
Great job and well done. Makes it easier for the rest of us to take a chance and do it ourselves.

Also on the ‘modern classic’ head lights. I’ve only been chatting to a few people and 2 have already said not to go for the clear headlights. It looks like porsche fans are already warming to them as I would have thought mine were the least desirable of all.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes don’t get rid of the ambers!

The process seems brutal (it needs to be to remove the OE top layer but each stage is progressively easier). Take it steady, be patient and thorough with each stage. Watch that you don’t burn the plastic as it’s a pain to sort out.

Invest in decent quality sanding discs, wipe them often, and don’t persevere with a worn disc.

The 3M video explains it well.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ambers it is. Wink
I had a go at mine this afternoon. Used the kit which only has a little sand paper. When finished, I wasn’t happy with the results so I buffed it with farclea g3 and then with meguirs ultimate polish. Made all the difference. I seem to have a dull finish inside the spot lamp section but the rest looks ok. I’ll get the other 1 done in the next week or so.
 
  
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