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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:16 pm    Post subject: Buying a 996 911 Carrera 4 Reply with quote

Hi All,

A friend is looking to sell his 996 as he is moving abroad - he has owned for 5 years.

It is a 1999, 996 Coupe Manual, Carrera 4 with 79 k miles.

Comprehensive service history (stamps every year). I know it has had the following in the last 12 months:

- Oil separator fault - oil leaking to exhaust (fixed)
- Anti roll bar bushes
- 2x front bottom arms
- Discs and pads
- Brake sensors
- Regular service

I couldn't confirm IMS was replaced though.

Car is in tidy condition, silver with black leather and 18 optional alloys, aluminium hand break and gear lever, extended leather (panel, dash and steering), 3 point steering wheel - as far as I remember on the optional list

Codes on the maintenance book were C16, XRL, X97, X98, 236, 424, 436, 446, 695, 09991

What is your view on the model and what price would it be reasonable for the vehicle?

Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't touch the ims bearing, its fine.

Somewhere in the region of £13k
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought on a private sale he might put it up for 15k and realistically expect to let it go for a bit less, as a friend 13k sounds fair, 12.5k sounds better, that's still probably more than a dealer would give him
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if I get it, I was thinking of keeping for 5-10 years, not worth doing anything preventive on the engine?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the gearbox off its worth having a peek at the ims bearing and when you see it's absolutely fine, pop the outer dust shield off so that the engine oil lubricates it.

Other than that, the only other stuff is an engine rebuild once you're way into 6 figures on the mileage.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......and change the oil and filter every 12 month. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a nice car. A gen 1 too which (yes I’m biased!) is the prettiest version. I’d have thought around the 15k mark but tricky without actually seeing the condition.

I would get it looked over by an Indy at least, or a full ppi. These cars can throw up surprise costs. Always a bit tricky when your buying from a friend.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem is many of the big cost problems don't show up on a pre purchase inspection. Only wear and corrosion items.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks - car has been plugged in a Porsche specialist, only thing showing is the door lock which is triggering the alarm.

No other errors on the system.

Car drives solid apart from a couple of gearbox scratches (not sure if it is the lack of talent or the gearbox) but that was my first drive on a manual in a bout a year so may be the reason

Would like that it had xenons, are these hard to retrofit using the full light set from a 996?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

perhaps another question, in terms of reliability (note I will be doing about 2k miles a year), would a 1999 (November) car with the 3.4 engine be better than the 997.1 S version 3.8 engine?

Still concerned with all the engine scare stories PC Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mavg wrote:


perhaps another question, in terms of reliability (note I will be doing about 2k miles a year), would a 1999 (November) car with the 3.4 engine be better than the 997.1 S version 3.8 engine?

Still concerned with all the engine scare stories PC Question


If you're that concerned it would be better to invest less in the purchase price of the car.

The 3.8 (especially Tiptronics) is more prone to bore-scoring than earlier cars but IMS Bearing issues should be less of a worry. The advantage of bore-scoring is that you get a gradual warning whereas IMSB failure can be sudden and catastrophic.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks! I could potentially stretch to a 997.1 (2005) Carrera S with c. 55k miles.

Would that be a better buy?

I do like the 996.1 myself (1999) so would be happy with either
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its '99 model so will have the ferrous-coated pistons so chances of bore-score are very very low. its done almost 80k miles - do a borescope obviously to confirm - but you should have legs left for many years.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mavg wrote:
Thanks! I could potentially stretch to a 997.1 (2005) Carrera S with c. 55k miles.

Would that be a better buy?



Probably not.

The likelihood of borsecoring on a 997.1 3.8 is immense compared to the likelihood of an ims problem on a 996.1 3.4.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks both. I know there are remedial work possible on the 996 with IMS replacement for about GBP1,500, is there anything that can be done on a 997.1 to remediate future issues?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mavg wrote:
thanks both. I know there are remedial work possible on the 996 with IMS replacement for about GBP1,500, is there anything that can be done on a 997.1 to remediate future issues?


Trust me - £1500 for an IMS bearing replacement on a 996 3.4 is not remedial work. It's a waste of £1500.

The only answer to remedy the chance of bore-score on the 997 is a full engine rebuild.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Go for it, but do it with your eyes open. Reply with quote

I bought a 2000 C4 with 70k miles on it about 7 years ago and drive about 3k miles a year. It has been a great car and I have done mega trips across Europe in it. I bought it knowing it was a 10 yr old car with an ok service history and I have kept on top of maintenance at a local Indy. That said, I still reckon it costs me at least £1k per year on average for servicing, parts, tyres etc. I have just had the major service done and got a list of advisories which totals £2.9k.(including VAT). All age related wear and tear items. Having phoned around various other indy’s This is not unreasonable for the work that needs doing. I would say factor this into your decision to buy otherwise it will detract from your enjoyment of your pride and joy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks! if you were thinking of a long term hold of 5-10-15 years (as a third car) which one do you think will be a better hold considering desirability, potential appreciation, etc?

I have always changed my other two cars on either yearly or every couple years and they have always been new, so really trying to tick that box of a third car with a potential future value and some love between....my favourite post 90s cars are the 996.1 and 997.1
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:28 pm    Post subject: Future Value? Reply with quote

Good question which will probably generate lots of replies. Why are you buying...to enjoy driving or for a future gain? If you want an investment return both 996s and 997s are probably not going to deliver that because of the big numbers produced. I keep thinking I might swap from 996 to 997 because I prefer the looks, but then I think of how much money I have put into my 996 which I will never get back and I’ll have to do it all again with a budget 997 - and my wife has other priorities for my cash. That said, I can imagine a future world where having a normally aspirated, manual 911 of any type will be a solid place to put your money.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

took delivery of the 996!! booked in for Friday to look at the alarm and a few other bits
 
  
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