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Senoj
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.5k a year warranty? Almost 2x Porsche..that and the depreciation potential, and the fact it’s not a 911...

991.2GT3 surely for that sort of outlay? Bought before Xmas in the Brexit uncertainty madness.

The 570s would have to be leagues better unless one is massively anti Porsche. I don’t think it is.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
Well I've been and driven the car and I'm quite simply amazed at how good the car is to drive, it's simply stunning, the steering, the suspension is so smooth and the gearbox is brilliant. In track mode it's about as close as you could get to a race/track car on the road, put it into normal mode and it's as civilised as any road car.


And that’s precisely why I wouldn’t buy one, the engine’s more muted and less punchy than a 911Turbo, and the ride is far more refined than my M4.. It just disconnects you with your surroundings in a very clinical manner, unless you drive it at more than 9/10ths!
Add to that very iffy interiors, and the whole experience leaves me very underwhelmed... imo, ymmv...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s2000db, we all have differing things we want from cars and I'm not going to get into an argument about interiors of all things.
As I said they are two very different cars and please don't think for one second that I am anti Porsche cars, I absolutely am not, I took my car to Dinslaken this year and it was brilliant, no issues at all.
There are other factors in my reasons for changing and it's nothing to do with my current car, I'm just looking for something different an itch to scratch so to speak.
As regards reliability etc there was a track day organised by Porsche at Croft a few months ago. I went along to spectate and three 991 GT 3/GT 3 RS went home on transporters, they all broke down and these are purported to be track focused cars and they couldn't take a few hard laps round Croft.
I know some 'enthusiasts' would chop an arm off before buying a different brand of car but that's not me.
By the way my mate on this forum described my Turbo as 'sounding like a supercharged hairdryer' his words not mine after I overtook him.
The car I drove today didn't sound anything like that, it had an MSO Titanium exhaust and muted wasn't it's sound!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the risk of deviating quite a bit from the OP’s original question I’m watching with interest how this Mclaren v Porsche debate moves along.

I’m not certain of the OP’s budget but the early MP4’s seem to be around the £85k mark but everyone I’ve spoken to says avoid these as running costs have a habit of being ruinous.

‘Clinical’ seems to be a word thrown about all the time when describing any of the new Mclaren cars, I’m keen to know what people actually mean by this and how they’ve arrived at this opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've slept on it and decided I'm staying with the porker, the last few days has been a bit of an exercise as well in what peoples reaction would be to buying a 'clinical' pentium processor car.
As I said all along they are two very different cars.
Reasons: Depreciation, Insurance cost and usability as in, is it an everyday car, No it's not. Plus I'm going to be buying to put away in the garage for 5 months.
So head has ruled heart, so you'll all be sending me messages of congratulations now. Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I’m not certain of the OP’s budget but the early MP4’s seem to be around the £85k mark but everyone I’ve spoken to says avoid these as running costs have a habit of being ruinous.



I don't know his budget either but I doubt whether he'd consider an MP412C is worth almost twice as much as his existing car. nooo
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, congrats EJ Thumb Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
m119cars wrote:


I’m not certain of the OP’s budget but the early MP4’s seem to be around the £85k mark but everyone I’ve spoken to says avoid these as running costs have a habit of being ruinous.



I don't know his budget either but I doubt whether he'd consider an MP412C is worth almost twice as much as his existing car. nooo


Thanks for the reminder of the sinking values of 997 turbos Terry Sad

Budget is more about ceiling price. We’ve moved to the shires now so the whopping mortgage and purchase has limited that. I’d think the price is the i8 I tested last weekend +\- £5k would be what I’m thinking so up to but not over £70k. But if I like the car, I’d be prepared to pay a lot less too Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody has mentioned the AMG GTS.

Glorious soundtrack.

The only F-Type to consider is the SVR (residuals and the 2 WD is just a tyre shredder)

12 C....looks to be a bit of a money pit. £7k for a 2 year warranty, conversion to soft shutting doors £1600 ( to save replacement of climate control LCD's at £3.5 k)...battery £3k Surprised

...but it is a stunning looking car......better then the newer models IMHO

I've never been a fan of the R8.......I just don't like the look of it for some reason and it looks a bit dated now.


Astons/Masseratis.........too much GT not enough sports car for me.

I expect we have to add the Nissan GTR to the list...just on shear performance and it is a route that a few people have taken.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul

from all the replies so far it looks like another Porker...

Having read about all the above cars mentioned by other members I can't think of any car that would beat a 911 Turbo on looks, drive and living it with it day-to-day. But cars are a bit like women - beauty is in the ye of the beer holder..

For me it would need another Porsche badge on it; how about a 991....?? GTS....?? Early 991 Turbo...?? I'm not a huge fan of GT2's/4's etc... thats just me, i'm afraid... a Turbo would be sufficient for me...




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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhodris-dad wrote:
Nobody has mentioned the AMG GTS.

Glorious soundtrack.


Top of page 2...
squelch wrote:
My (current) shortlist for a possible addition in the spring is the AMG GT or the Huracan. Never been a Merc fan but the AMG GT looks awesome and AMG have always had the engine / exhaust / sound sorted!


The AMG GT looks pretty good value at the moment and has (possibly) done the majority of its depreciation for a while. I think I've scratched the Huracan off the list in favour of the McL 570S. The Lambo's just look too much like wedding rental cars and when you see one around Knightsbridge in the summer the assumption is it'll have an Arabic number plate.

The McLaren 570S also looks good value for what is apparently a very accomplished car but a common word on the McLaren groups seems to be "gremlins" so approach with caution.... I'm hoping to take out a demonstrator soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said I have been here, its a rocky road, and a big financial divide to get something worthy of a 997 Turbo replacement, especially if tuned.

I have been looking like you, So hard, but its hard...





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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turbo, awesome cars.

Familiarity breeds contempt and all that
 
  
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MisterCorn
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senoj wrote:
Turbo, awesome cars.

Familiarity breeds contempt and all that


Get a faster turbo then, mine scares the sh!t out of me every time I drive it, I have had more contempt for other cars after 10 minutes than my turbo in 7 years. If you have contempt for your turbo it needs more power.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any excuse for Boba to get some pictures of his car up on the forum!

If you get a chance to get a demo run in a 570 S do it, you will be amazed at the handling and especially the steering, it's a stunning car and with a titanium exhaust upgrade sounds wicked, twin turbo V8 how can it sound subdued!
You can actually just hear the slight hiss of the Turbo's as well when you boot it which is not unpleasant. Driving position is perfect apart from the brake pedal being right in the centre for the left foot brakers and the seats are very comfortable and need very little adjustment to get them just right.
I was told that they expect running costs to come down as they get more cars on the road but it's a supercar so it ain't going to be cheap!
But it's the depreciation and the yearly servicing that bite.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
Any excuse for Boba to get some pictures of his car up on the forum!

If you get a chance to get a demo run in a 570 S do it, you will be amazed at the handling and especially the steering, it's a stunning car and with a titanium exhaust upgrade sounds wicked, twin turbo V8 how can it sound subdued!
You can actually just hear the slight hiss of the Turbo's as well when you boot it which is not unpleasant. Driving position is perfect apart from the brake pedal being right in the centre for the left foot brakers and the seats are very comfortable and need very little adjustment to get them just right.
I was told that they expect running costs to come down as they get more cars on the road but it's a supercar so it ain't going to be cheap!
But it's the depreciation and the yearly servicing that bite.


No thats wrong - and its been months....and its sold... its still the nicest 997 Turbo ever in my opinion...

Still looks lovey though, and I have regrets
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
Any excuse for Boba to get some pictures of his car up on the forum!


It is a Porsche forum, he posted pictures of his Porsche to show how good they look. Seems fair enough to me.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about going lightweight weekend toy?

Ariel Atom or Caterham 360R?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
easternjets wrote:
Any excuse for Boba to get some pictures of his car up on the forum!


It is a Porsche forum, he posted pictures of his Porsche to show how good they look. Seems fair enough to me.

MC


Thanks Martin. It did look good!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

g7jhp wrote:
How about going lightweight weekend toy?

Ariel Atom or Caterham 360R?


I run a V8 Westfield, it offers an interesting mix of massive torque and power which I can honestly say is unmatched by any ither car I own. 705kg, 215hp, buckets of torque. That said, I have done 240 miles in it in the last 3 years. It scares me.

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