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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:36 am    Post subject: If Not A Porsche, Then What.....? Reply with quote

I’ve recently been toying with moving my 997.1 turbo on and trying something different.

So I’ve started looking at alternatives and it’s hard. Bloody hard. In each of the sports car category they’re in the top contender is always a Porsche.

Take the 911 turbo. What could I change it for at the same price point that’s quicker, is as usable, reliable, as visceral as impactful? Nothing. It’s either a whole lot more money, or the newer version.

Or if I decide to go for a N/A Carrera again? Look at what the competition is, regardless of the price point. And the Porsche always comes out on top.

What about swapping to a mid engined model like a Cayman? Again, for the money the Porsche beats all. Except another more expensive or newer Porsche.

Boxster? Same. In fact the Boxster and Cayman are extraordinarily good value. With the 986 Boxster the best value of all.

I stepped out if a test drive in an i8 yesterday and thought “interesting and in many ways impressive”. But for £60-70k I’d look at a 997.2 turbo or a 991.1 ‘S’ if I wanted N/A. All would be quicker, more dynamic and easier to live with than the i8. Though it wins on theatre. But with the poor visibility from the pillars that ‘theatre’ may include pulling out in front of someone at a junction Surprised

Don’t get me wrong, I liked it a lot. And the head up display is a thing of wonder. But I don’t think I could see me in it instead of a 911/Cayman Question

I’m going to explore R8’s next, both the V8 and the V10. Maybe some BMW M cars too. I fear the former will also be great, but not great enough to make me switch. While the latter I suspect will be great but ultimately dull compared to a Porsche. But I’ll investigate and report back.

Could it be that there really is no substitute? Scratch Chin
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it depends what you want. If you want the everyday supercar then there isn't any substitute than Porsche.

If you want an uber quick luxury saloon then you have options but they tend to depreciate quicker than your 911 gets from 0-60...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragpicker wrote:
I suppose it depends what you want. If you want the everyday supercar then there isn't any substitute than Porsche.

If you want an uber quick luxury saloon then you have options but they tend to depreciate quicker than your 911 gets from 0-60...

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I deliberately missed out the saloon and SUV categories as I’m less convinced the ‘no substitute’ thing works there so much. The M5 I saw yesterday for £36k was amazing value and would be my choice over the equivalent Pan-Am I think.



And as capable as they are dynamically, I don’t think I could choose a Cayenne over the equivalent RR Question

But yes, you’re spot on with the extra 50% that M5 has still to drop over the next 24 mths Surprised
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you go down the R8 route, I'd sooner have one of these:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201804306055625
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
If you go down the R8 route, I'd sooner have one of these:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201804306055625


Ahhh the quick Audi! Good shout.

Plus, since the VAG partnership I believe these can be used as a daily with reliability.

Good call Alex Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragpicker wrote:
alex yates wrote:
If you go down the R8 route, I'd sooner have one of these:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201804306055625


Ahhh the quick Audi! Good shout.

Plus, since the VAG partnership I believe these can be used as a daily with reliability.

Good call Alex Thumb


That’s interesting Alex. Would I choose that over a Gen 2 997 turbo....? For theatre, definitely. But for nipping down to B&Q or Tesco? I’m not so sure. Any idea what the storage is like for road trips? Question
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd deffo choose it over an R8 though.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd deffo choose it over an R8 though.


I’ll add one to the test drive list Thumb
This thread could even be a record of my findings.....? Scratch Chin
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm following this thread with interest.

After a mad moment contemplating an F Type and a fleeting flirtation with a Cayman 981S I concluded that the only car that would get me out of my beloved 997T would be a 991 - the only 911 I've ever fallen in love with at first sight.

A few months ago the time seemed right for the change as asking prices for early 991s (3.4 and S) were in my budget 'ball-park'. Unfortunately I hadn't realised why.

It appears that the market is very slow meaning that, for me, the 'cost to change' is actually no better than it's been for the previous couple of years.

N997b ....... Have you got as far as talking part-ex values yet. Question
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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N997b ....... Have you got as far as talking part-ex values yet. Question


That sounds like a leading question.... Some bad news there T8?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
I'm following this thread with interest.

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It appears that the market is very slow meaning that, for me, the 'cost to change' is actually no better than it's been for the previous couple of years.

N997b ....... Have you got as far as talking part-ex values yet. Question


It’s a privilege to have you on board Terry thumbsup

Feel free to add your experiences or thoughts too? I’d already scrubbed off the F-Type because of depreciation, practicality and general dynamics.

I’m not near that point yet Terry. And may never get that far. I fear if I flipped Grace for an i8 I’d be flipping that in turn for another turbo within six months.

So the search continues. I also tried a Mustang yesterday. It was a hoot but fishtailing onto the A1M on a Saturday morning did nothing to sell the car to me. One of the joys of a 911 is planting your foot on the on ramp as we all convoy to Dinslaken. So it just wouldn’t do Grin

With the exhaust on ‘track’ setting it did sound glorious though. I could see me in one at some point when they’re cheaper. But not instead of Grace or a Carrera Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may take some flak for this suggestion but a V8 vantage must be worthy of consideration.
I have a bit of an obsession going on with these things.
They are just achingly beautiful and for me it’s a matter of when rather than if..
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote of the day:

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I may take some flak for this suggestion but a V8 vantage must be worthy of consideration.
I have a bit of an obsession going on with these things.
They are just achingly beautiful and for me it’s a matter of when rather than if..



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jaguar XKR-S?
542bhp, 2+2, practical and rare.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kas750 wrote:
I may take some flak for this suggestion but a V8 vantage must be worthy of consideration.
I have a bit of an obsession going on with these things.
They are just achingly beautiful and for me it’s a matter of when rather than if..


No flak from me Adrian. Do you remember the Top Gear segment where they took a Vantage V8, a 996.2 (I think?) and a 6 series (again I think?) to the Isle of Man? The conclusion was it looked beautiful, and agree it still does, but the dynamics were just that little bit less capable than a 911.

That and I’ve heard maintenance horror stories which had kind if put me off. Maybe I need to give one a go and see how I get on?

If you try one, or have tried one, could you do me and us all a favour and share your thoughts etc here? I’d love to know what you think? Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, a Lambo is the only alternative 😉

Tbh it’s very difficult to change a Turbo for anything else as it ticks more boxes than just about anything else!

I suppose 12C’s are now starting to be in the equation, but after having driven several Macs, (including round Spa) I wouldn’t swap a Turbo for one, unless you’re going to be a track fiend.

I really enjoy my M4 as a DD, though it can’t do what a Turbo can (especially in the wet!) it’s almost as fast 90% of the time, plus it’s practical and it’s ICE is second to none imo..

Anyhow have fun, plus if you need any help give me a call, as I’ve driven all the suspects in the replacement categories! 😜
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I drove a Vantage V12 btw, nice engine, but not that quick and steering/handling was not in the Porsche’s league, imo ymmv 😀
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the Lambo. I have a 997.1 Turbo and wanted something exotic so tried a few cars F430, R8 and Gallardo. Servicing costs and reliability put me off the McLaren, but I may be wrong. The noise and power delivery on the V10 is addictive and the Lambo has much more theatre and positive reaction. I ended up buying a rare LP560-4 manual. Keeping the 997 Turbo as a practical option Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not often I look at my friend's cars and feel envious. I've got enough petrol head mates that most of the car spectrum is covered too. Curiously, the last time I can remember doing so was when I saw MJA911's GT3 before he sold it. There was just something 'right' about that car.

Anyway, a lambo would definitely have me twitching! It seems to tick a lot of boxes for me, especially as my turbo is essentially now a high days and holidays car. A lambo would do that job just fine and the cost to change isnt extreme. Whilst it shares a lot of bits with the Audi (what cars dont these days!?), at least it isn't de-tuned like the R8.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a time to be alive indeed. Great phrase. Who said that again? Obviously a scholar and a gentleman Scratch Chin

Dana - I was thinking of you in the BMW dealership yesterday actually. Your enthusiasm really opened my eyes to consider the brand. And yes I may take you up on the chance to see a Lambo up close and personal though it’s the pauper’s version bs you’re elite one Very Happy

‘Twas always thus Laughing

Now to start investigating Gallardos. Please, no one tell my wife Surprised
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