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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Turbo s or gt3 Reply with quote

An old debate but as time goes on more views the better. A choice I will have in the future not a daily drive,European tours, occasional track days, meets and drives around the country mainly best nine months,not a garage queen,four seats not needed. Any views well appreciated. Not thinking of any other models.Cheers Jon.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure someone has just compared these 2 just this week...I am a bit too drunk now to do a search...sorry

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am sure someone has just compared these 2 just this week...I am a bit too drunk now to do a search...sorry

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given it is a 991 if budget permits and you are not interested in the shove from the turbo I'd pick a GT3 Smile
My only concern would be the engine issues they appear to have so do get one with an OPC warranty.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Given it is a 991 if budget permits and you are not interested in the shove from the turbo I'd pick a GT3 Smile
My only concern would be the engine issues they appear to have so do get one with an OPC warranty.



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have driven a Turbo S on a few occasions and am now privileged to be the owner of a GT3, so here's my viewpoint:-

Turbo S - brutal acceleration and pace, but in a civilised manner. Car fully loaded with all creature comforts. Turbine swoosh from the exhaust. Whole experience slightly Xbox. Highly competent on both road and track. Fast, fast, fast.

GT3 - brutal acceleration and pace in a totally uncivilised manner. Noisy, clunky, creaky and raw. Even at low speeds feels like a championship racing horse in the stalls waiting to explode out. Some creature comforts but minimalist compared to the Turbo. Happy to be on the road, but its natural domicile is the track. Even a short drive and you're left feeling like you've survived 10 rounds against Anthony Joshua. Growl and shriek from the exhaust and engine is the Bohemian Rhapsody of the car world.

On paper, both cars are not too far apart - in reality they are chalk and cheese and offer significantly different experiences Wink

Best to drive both to form your own opinion. There are important differences between the two which you need to appreciate before committing financially. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have driven a Turbo S on a few occasions and am now privileged to be the owner of a GT3, so here's my viewpoint:-

Turbo S - brutal acceleration and pace, but in a civilised manner. Car fully loaded with all creature comforts. Turbine swoosh from the exhaust. Whole experience slightly Xbox. Highly competent on both road and track. Fast, fast, fast.

GT3 - brutal acceleration and pace in a totally uncivilised manner. Noisy, clunky, creaky and raw. Even at low speeds feels like a championship racing horse in the stalls waiting to explode out. Some creature comforts but minimalist compared to the Turbo. Happy to be on the road, but its natural domicile is the track. Even a short drive and you're left feeling like you've survived 10 rounds against Anthony Joshua. Growl and shriek from the exhaust and engine is the Bohemian Rhapsody of the car world

On paper, both cars are not too far apart - in reality they are chalk and cheese and offer significantly different experiences Wink

Best to drive both to form your own opinion. There are important differences between the two which you need to appreciate before committing financially. Good luck.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having hankered after a Turbo or Turbo S for as long as I can remember, id definitely go for the

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ911, excellent summary, love it, seems to be spot on.

I don't own either but my simple answer would be, Track use GT 3, not the Turbo. European road trips the Turbo not the GT 3. GT3's seem to have taken a bit of a dip in values and I would think are harder to shift, whereas the Turbo's seem to be a less focused car so easier to move on. Turbo S has taken a big dip in value compared to a std Turbo.
I looked at a 991 turbo against my 997 and I've kept the 997.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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DRZ911, excellent summary, love it seems to be spot on.

I don't own either but my simple answer would be, Track use GT 3, not the Turbo. European road trips the Turbo not the GT 3. GT3's seem to have taken a bit of a dip in values and I would think are harder to shift, whereas the Turbo's seem to be a less focused car so easier to move on. Turbo S has taken a big dip in value compared to a std Turbo.
I looked at a 91 turbo against my 997 and I've kept the 997.


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I agree having owned 2 x GT3's & 2 x Turbo's ( one S ) albeit 997 models ...

Trackwork = GT3

Roads ( any) =Turbo

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If its only the occasional track day, then the Turbo.

If its regular track days then the GT3

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even occasional Track days a Turbo needs a bit of fettling, Tyres and Brakes being the two main problems. So if you get an 'S' with Michelin Cup's on you'll be fine as they have PCCB's.
On track a std Turbo's brakes are hopeless, scarily bad, biggest problem is the Turbo is so quick in Sport mode that you have to scrub off a huge amount of energy and after 2 laps your brakes will be 'toast'. It wasn't just my car either, Norfolk & Idea was at the same track in an identical car and he had the same issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even occasional Track days a Turbo needs a bit of fettling, Tyres and Brakes being the two main problems. So if you get an 'S' with Michelin Cup's on you'll be fine as they have PCCB's.
On track a std Turbo's brakes are hopeless, scarily bad, biggest problem is the Turbo is so quick in Sport mode that you have to scrub off a huge amount of energy and after 2 laps your brakes will be 'toast'. It wasn't just my car either, Norfolk & Idea was at the same track in an identical car and he had the same issues.


Yep, deffo need bake upgrades if you're going to track a 997.2 turbo regularly. Pads, high spec fluid and braided hoses would go a long way to fettling it. Not a huge deal. Mine can get a bit spongy on the road too if I'm cracking on. Usually when a pesky motorbike wants to play.

OP's question. Pretty much covered already. But I will add, whichever way you cut it, you'll be paying overs on a GT3. Unless of course you're a 'Porsche Customer' at your local OPC. Worth a consideration when weighing it all up. And a turbo's faster! Wink
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Priceless heads up guys ta very much,trying to keep in good books with her in doors looks like the turbo s, but she does like the growl of the gt3 when following one Thumb
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They do look the business, especially so in C/Sport form with the cage and harness and they sound wicked on a track getting thrashed.
A turbo on the other hand doesn't have the rip but is still your best bet as an all round car, plus they're very quick and also bullet proof reliable (touch wood).
At the last Porsche track day at Croft a few Gt 3 went home on transporters, didn't fill me with confidence!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's going anywhere near a track the GT3 is the much better car. GT3 on long European "GT" trips might become wearing due to the noisier cabin and if there's a passenger they may not appreciate the GT3 as much as you do....my wife hates mine because of the bucket seats. I don't know what the tyres are like on the 991.1 but the Michelin Cup's on my 991.2 don't like the wet at all and whilst I haven't had the delight yet I also understand that when it gets cold they're also not great.

Kind of depends what your priorities are and whether you want to be able to use it mid-winter amongst other things. You can of course put winter tyres on though.
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Cheib, TBH I think with all tyres you have to put up with compromises, this ones good in the wet, this one isn't etc.
Saying that most of these High Performance tyres are a nightmare when they're cold as they tend to get very hard and hence slide a bit.
I've got 'Potenzas' on my current car and I've not had any issues with them till I went on a track and got them hot, then they were hopeless the front wouldn't grip at all and just under steered. Yet in normal everyday driving they're fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Turbo s or gt3 Reply with quote

jon911 wrote:
An old debate but as time goes on more views the better. A choice I will have in the future not a daily drive,European tours, occasional track days, meets and drives around the country mainly best nine months,not a garage queen,four seats not needed. Any views well appreciated. Not thinking of any other models.Cheers Jon.


Is your 991 a .1 or a .2? Given the aerokit it's clear you are cool with a wing on the back, if it's n/a it will be interesting to hear how your current has gone on track and what throughts you have about any euro trips completed? Just trying to gauge the reason for changing as I had a similar dilema last year.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Turbo s or gt3 Reply with quote

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jon911 wrote:
An old debate but as time goes on more views the better. A choice I will have in the future not a daily drive,European tours, occasional track days, meets and drives around the country mainly best nine months,not a garage queen,four seats not needed. Any views well appreciated. Not thinking of any other models.Cheers Jon.


Is your 991 a .1 or a .2? Given the aerokit it's clear you are cool with a wing on the back, if it's n/a it will be interesting to hear how your current has gone on track and what throughts you have about any euro trips completed? Just trying to gauge the reason for changing as I had a similar dilema last year.

Hi G2 yes a good point, my 991 is .1
I do like a rear wing, and have in time favoured the GT3 over the turbo.
GT3 RS is a little out there more track car for me.
On track my Carrera handles very nimble and precise with great grip, experienced a little under steer but you have to push realy hard on the limit.
In the wet no play that's why the turbo appeals with Europe weather changes so quick. The 3.4 engine revs freely all the way to 7,500 rpm it's so much better than my previous 997 3.8 c2s. But could do with just a little more grunt.
Last year a 3,000 mile European trip completing four of the big passes and Monza GP and six country's was completed and my 991 performed impeccably with no problems only numb hips from time to time think due to the sport hard back seats, iam only 14 stone and over six ft tall.
Realy happy with my base Carrera it's manual with very few extras, no fuss just go and drive.
Reason to swap a little more power with the super car performance and handling, more aggressive looks and head turner,hope this answered .
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Thumb sounds like you will go for a GT3 and an osteopath for after Euro trips. thumbsup

Given the problems with engines (admittedly no one but porsche really knows percentage failures) I think a GT3 whilst it’s under warranty. And a Turbo later. There will be Turbos for a long time yet afterall.

I rented a GT3RS by the lap earlier this year. Unbelievable and way better than my driving is capable of taking to the limit. Safe to say I’ll do it again, but it removed the temptation to go buy a GT3 or RS.

Good luck with your deliberations...lovely problem to have Grin
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