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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:17 am    Post subject: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

I haven't taken delivery of my Carrera PDK yet, but i did drive my friends Cayman GTS PDK a fair bit a while ago. Yes the box is terrific and awesome, but it feels a bit weird after years of stirring a manual, and not very intuitive, to me at least.

So the question is, how long is it before it starts to feel like a natural and familiar thing to use, and i am thinking of course in terms of using the manual selection and sport/normal modes, not just using it in auto which is dead simple naturally.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

segart wrote:
I haven't taken delivery of my Carrera PDK yet, but i did drive my friends Cayman GTS PDK a fair bit a while ago. Yes the box is terrific and awesome, but it feels a bit weird after years of stirring a manual, and not very intuitive, to me at least.

So the question is, how long is it before it starts to feel like a natural and familiar thing to use, and i am thinking of course in terms of using the manual selection and sport/normal modes, not just using it in auto which is dead simple naturally.
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In all honesty .... 5 minutes ......!

( If ) You have the paddles its intuitive

Shift PDK lever to manual and its back to playtime..

I have found that for the most part , leave in PDK Auto then its got plenty torque to handle any required situation ..!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

segart wrote:
I haven't taken delivery of my Carrera PDK yet, but i did drive my friends Cayman GTS PDK a fair bit a while ago. Yes the box is terrific and awesome, but it feels a bit weird after years of stirring a manual, and not very intuitive, to me at least.

So the question is, how long is it before it starts to feel like a natural and familiar thing to use, and i am thinking of course in terms of using the manual selection and sport/normal modes, not just using it in auto which is dead simple naturally.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 997 PDK is my first ever auto and in the first 2/3 weeks occasionally I kept going to change gear manually. I wasn't convinced I made the right decision. 5 months later and I would never go back to manual.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might seem strange, but if you're new to the PDK, I would say that it's really important to keep your hands locked in the 9 and 3 positions, with the thumbs over the side spokes, so you can always reach the paddles with your finger tips (left for down, right for up). Think of it as the seating position for the track: wheel out, sitting up straight, arms at 9&3, car in manual, using the gears. At least, that's how I drive a PDK. It feels very intuitive very quickly. Cool

If on the other hand you leave it in auto, shuffle your hands all over the place, or drive one-handed (or adopt the 'Detroit slump', with seat reclined, head way back by the B pillar, one arm hanging languidly over the top of the wheel, the other fiddling with a phone), you will never be able to use the gearbox as it was intended. Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
segart wrote:
I haven't taken delivery of my Carrera PDK yet, but i did drive my friends Cayman GTS PDK a fair bit a while ago. Yes the box is terrific and awesome, but it feels a bit weird after years of stirring a manual, and not very intuitive, to me at least.

So the question is, how long is it before it starts to feel like a natural and familiar thing to use, and i am thinking of course in terms of using the manual selection and sport/normal modes, not just using it in auto which is dead simple naturally.
Cheers
Rick


You really have to drive it foot to the floor everywhere (once it’s warmed up) Grin Otherwise never Thumb


'Kin 'Ell.... if I drove my thing foot to the floor all the time I would be arriving at the scene of the accident before I knew it !

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
It might seem strange, but if you're new to the PDK, I would say that it's really important to keep your hands locked in the 9 and 3 positions, with the thumbs over the side spokes, so you can always reach the paddles with your finger tips (left for down, right for up). Think of it as the seating position for the track: wheel out, sitting up straight, arms at 9&3, car in manual, using the gears. At least, that's how I drive a PDK. It feels very intuitive very quickly. Cool

If on the other hand you leave it in auto, shuffle your hands all over the place, or drive one-handed (or adopt the 'Detroit slump', with seat reclined, head way back by the B pillar, one arm hanging languidly over the top of the wheel, the other fiddling with a phone), you will never be able to use the gearbox as it was intended. Surprised



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
segart wrote:
I haven't taken delivery of my Carrera PDK yet, but i did drive my friends Cayman GTS PDK a fair bit a while ago. Yes the box is terrific and awesome, but it feels a bit weird after years of stirring a manual, and not very intuitive, to me at least.

So the question is, how long is it before it starts to feel like a natural and familiar thing to use, and i am thinking of course in terms of using the manual selection and sport/normal modes, not just using it in auto which is dead simple naturally.
Cheers
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You really have to drive it foot to the floor everywhere (once it’s warmed up) Grin Otherwise never Thumb


'Kin 'Ell.... if I drove my thing foot to the floor all the time I would be arriving at the scene of the accident before I knew it !

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That’s why I need a turbo in my life Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the idea! I will report when I have spent half an hour fiddling about with it!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
911TEL wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
segart wrote:
I haven't taken delivery of my Carrera PDK yet, but i did drive my friends Cayman GTS PDK a fair bit a while ago. Yes the box is terrific and awesome, but it feels a bit weird after years of stirring a manual, and not very intuitive, to me at least.

So the question is, how long is it before it starts to feel like a natural and familiar thing to use, and i am thinking of course in terms of using the manual selection and sport/normal modes, not just using it in auto which is dead simple naturally.
Cheers
Rick


You really have to drive it foot to the floor everywhere (once it’s warmed up) Grin Otherwise never Thumb


'Kin 'Ell.... if I drove my thing foot to the floor all the time I would be arriving at the scene of the accident before I knew it !

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That’s why I need a turbo in my life Grin


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Test drove 3 cars, but knew after the first one. Use it in manual whenever I get the chance.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
It might seem strange, but if you're new to the PDK, I would say that it's really important to keep your hands locked in the 9 and 3 positions, with the thumbs over the side spokes, so you can always reach the paddles with your finger tips (left for down, right for up). Think of it as the seating position for the track: wheel out, sitting up straight, arms at 9&3, car in manual, using the gears. At least, that's how I drive a PDK. It feels very intuitive very quickly. Cool

If on the other hand you leave it in auto, shuffle your hands all over the place, or drive one-handed (or adopt the 'Detroit slump', with seat reclined, head way back by the B pillar, one arm hanging languidly over the top of the wheel, the other fiddling with a phone), you will never be able to use the gearbox as it was intended. Surprised


^^^^^^^^ this.

Having had extensive use of both manual and PDK transmissions I can say that I have enjoyed both. (Haven't experienced tiptronic).
The PDK in the 997.2 is widely held as an excellent piece of kit, and speaking from experience, the 991.1 PDK is a step on from its predecessor.

For me, cruising around in slushomatic is reasonably dull. The first thing I do on start up is move the leaver to the left into manual and select sport.....it's engaging.

Horses for courses and personal preferences aside I would say to the OP, try using the PDK in sport and manual mode and resist using auto, at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Horses for courses and personal preferences aside I would say to the OP, try using the PDK in sport and manual mode and resist using auto, at all.
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That sounds like good advice Pzero

' It might seem strange, but if you're new to the PDK, I would say that it's really important to keep your hands locked in the 9 and 3 positions, with the thumbs over the side spokes, so you can always reach the paddles with your finger tips (left for down, right for up). Think of it as the seating position for the track: wheel out, sitting up straight, arms at 9&3, car in manual, using the gears. At least, that's how I drive a PDK. It feels very intuitive very quickly.'
As does that Max.

I will give it a try but sounds like sense.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: How long to genuinely feel familiar with a PDK? Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:

In all honesty .... 5 minutes ......!

^This.

Certainly if my PEC Silverstone experience with the 991.1 GT3 and RS is anything to go by.

I've driven automatic cars a lot in the past, but both of my current vehicles are manual but, within minutes of setting out in the PDK car, I forgot what all the fuss was about - it is a very good system, so it is very intuitive to use.
 
  
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If I want to just slob around, not avoid potholes, take any line as I want as long as its slow in/not quite so slow out, I take the Discovery. It has large seats, a ZF slobamatic, and a hefty stereo. It also has a manual mode but why bother troubling the old thing? It isn't decorous. It doesn't seem to mind being attached to the boat though and it doesn't make any difference as to progress (only the line).

If I want to really go for a drive, which is about 360 days a year, I'm in the 997, adopting the following dream sequence:

get in
leave the car door open
start the engine
enjoy the flare of revs
slip on the seat belt
wait for revs to drop to a sub 1000 idle
adjust the seat a bit straighter
press sport, or sports plus if I'm feeling especially perky (or at the track)
wait a bit more for revs to drop to a sub 1000 idle and the valve to close
press loud again when the valve closes
wait a bit more for revs to drop to a sub 1000 idle
when the revs finally drop....
slip into reverse
roll out of the garage
slip into neutral
do a quick rev
slip into manual
attach hands to wheel at 9 & 3
drive off
take it fairly easy for a bit until there's some heat in the oil
then drive harder...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are people really engaging Sport mode without warming up the engine? I don't go above 3k revs until the engine it at about 70c, which takes at least 5-10 mins if not more.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me to really get used to PDK I would say it took about a week. But that was on the basis it was used as a 2nd car but driven in Manual all of the time. At first you find yourself constantly looking for what gear you are in especially 2/3rd but you get to a point where you just “know” and it becomes as intuitive as a manual.

Now my normal process is:

- start car
- turn on sport mode
- drive in auto until oil temp >50 (it then very quickly rises to >80)
- flick over to manual and use the paddles

I do this even when driving in traffic mainly because its just so much fun to control the revs and the noise it makes. I find sport mode does not hold onto the gears long enough and sport + holds onto them too long and its just more fun in manual.

Nb paddles make a massive difference to the experience compared to buttons Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:

Now my normal process is:

- start car
- turn on sport mode
- drive in auto until oil temp >50 (it then very quickly rises to >80)
- flick over to manual and use the paddles

Doesn't that make it longer to warm the car up? Auto mode shifts up way too early if you're driving sedately so you'd be driving around at 1-2k rpm.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

benbuhagiar wrote:
Are people really engaging Sport mode without warming up the engine? I don't go above 3k revs until the engine it at about 70c, which takes at least 5-10 mins if not more.


I do this. Takes about 10miles/20 mins to get to 70/80c, then sports mode then foot to the floor.

I did 300-400 miles in north Wales last weekend taking in some excellent driving roads and didn't use manual once. On day 2 I was in sports mode for most of the day and the pdk was unbelievable.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It takes my BGTS about 15 minutes to get the oil above 70C and a bit longer in winter.

The paddles are great for most of the time but it's a good idea to also get used to ***** the gear stick to change gear - when driving through sharp bends requiring me to move my hands on the wheel (eg if my arms would cross) it's a lot easier to flick the gear stick than find the required paddle!
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