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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Putting aside the 981 v 718 (the 981 is clearly the best Grin) Id seriously consider a 987 Cayman with the new Hartech rebore over both the above Thumb
I think alot will go this way and many old Boxsters/caymans/911's are about to get a new lease of life Thumb

edit* In fact I may even buy one run it and wait for the inevitable engine meltdown worship Grin


Ah I see what you did there .......apply utd football philosophy to a car ie wait till it's broken and then try to fix it Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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tim993 wrote:
how low are we talking?


About 11 cm Tim. And with it being about 70 cm between the front of a wheel and the lip..it's very easy to make a school boy error of mounting a kerb with the front in a car parking space. Hand


My .2 GT3 is 3mm lower than that and I've not had any trouble however I do have a front lift but never used it Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

krishcanag wrote:
Obviously, many are stuck on the 981 GT4 just on the sound which I understand, I just won't spend 20k extra to buy any car that is slower it's 14 seconds slower on the Nuremberg track just for the sound. If the new 718 GT4 comes with PDK I would buy it if offered else it might be a R8 V10 +, the best budget supercar


I’d say if you’re going to drop ‘The Ring’ in there like a TopGear fanboy, I’d be sure to spell it correctly. Take it you’re talking about the Nordschliefe and not Hitler’s big P.R. bash?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boxsey wrote:
tim993 wrote:
how low are we talking?


About 11 cm Tim. And with it being about 70 cm between the front of a wheel and the lip..it's very easy to make a school boy error of mounting a kerb with the front in a car parking space. Hand


That's same as the Spyder I think... Surprised
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what its worth i test drove a manual 718 GTS ,first thing i did when i got in was to put the exhaust button and then commenced the test drive.

Within 5 minutes i was back at the dealership , even with the exhaust on i could hardly hear it , and what noise it did make didn't remind me of a sports car sound.

Other than the noise , the looks /technology /pace are bang on.

One week later i bought a GT4 , which is complacently different gravy.

At the end of the day the GT4 is a Porsche "GT Car" and i dont even think you can compare the 2.

Just getting in the GT4 and starting it up , you realise your in something special.

Just a thought , if you were to park a GT4 and a 718 GTS together and asked people to choose just based on looks which one ??

I think i know which one would win Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread... clearly the 4cyl is nearly as polarising as when Porsche put water cooling in the 911 engine!

Jag are selling a good proportion of 4 cyls of total F types, interestingly, given that the price is not wildly different vs the 6 cyl.

Conversely, after enthusiasts clamoured for a manual F Type, Jag introduced it and apparently they've hardly sold any!

It would be interesting to see how many 6 cyl 981s Porsche would actually sell relative to 4 cyl, if they still made them.

My point... what we say as enthusiasts is very different to what the market seems to want.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the jag though you are comparing FI with FI (albeit turbo v supercharger) and not NA v FI.

Controversially my view is that many want the “lazy” torque of a FI engine especially as more and more are used to the power delivery of a FI Diesel engine that has been pushed on the mass market over the past 10-15 years.

The NA to FI debate re the 981 to 718 is just exaggerated to me as the sound is so different (there are much better sounding 4 pot turbos out there) and the fact the sound of a Porsche / sports car is so important but only to those who actually experienced the former.

The 718, to me, will be / is simply a stop gap prior to hybrid tech whilst the last of the 6 pots will always be just that and hence retain a dedicated following...... yep much like the air to water cooled Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair points... from a showroom standpoint, a FI car feels muscular... in daily driving conditions it feels fast without needing to rev it so its easy to see why they appeal.

Actually a flat 4 is an appealing power plant in itself, with a long heritage at Porsche- a missed opportunity they didn't get it to resonate with enthusiasts. From what I've read, the 718's gearing doesn't help either. The new Alpine shows it can be done.

The 991 seems to have managed the transition from NA to FI across the range better, perhaps helped because a 911 Turbo is a Good Thing, so the turbos with a small t enjoy some trickle-down glory.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep there can be opinions for all angles but the fact is to me the 4 pot turbo in the 718 just sounds awefull compared to the 981 (I know it not an actual fact and is subjective but to me its a fact as no argument will convince me it sounds good lol) that’s whether or not you like FI v NA.

By contrast I like the sound of the supercharged jag V6’s (I’ve had a couple over the years) Wink I have no experience of the jag FI 4 pots though but would expect them to sound better than the 718 Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just a thought , if you were to park a GT4 and a 718 GTS together and asked people to choose just based on looks which one ??

I think i know which one would win Very Happy


I’m not sure its as clear cut as you might think, the 718 is a good looking car. Lots of people don;t do big spoilers etc.... and to be honest I prefer the look of a 981/718 GTS to the GT4. I think it would depend to some extent on the age of the audience as well ie I used to go for big spoilers in my yoof Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
Joff Gas wrote:


Just a thought , if you were to park a GT4 and a 718 GTS together and asked people to choose just based on looks which one ??

I think i know which one would win Very Happy


I’m not sure its as clear cut as you might think, the 718 is a good looking car. Lots of people don;t do big spoilers etc.... and to be honest I prefer the look of a 981/718 GTS to the GT4. I think it would depend to some extent on the age of the audience as well ie I used to go for big spoilers in my yoof Grin


The 718 is a great iteration of the Cayman/ Boxster it’s improved by degree on the 981 , the lines are great ......if it wasn’t for the 4 pot engine clanger , which is really hard to fathom ...
The GT4 (6 pot) version should be an epic car ....( if & / or when it’s realised ...)
I don’t doubt for a minute that it’s not a great car to drive , or that the GTS may be quicker than the GT4 , it’s entirely possible ..... but a car like these has to have ‘Soul’ and I think that’s sadly lacking in the 718 for those who have owned/ lived with / driven/ grown up with the flat six ....

The new buyers into the marque are probably blissfully unaware of the heritage of the Cayman & Boxster ....imho these are generally the people who don’t mind the 4 pot and enjoy the 718 as it is , whereas we can see the downside & the loss .....

I’m in the same camp as Jonttt , I couldn’t be persuaded to buy one/ live with one sounding as it does .....I’d rather have a 981.......
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do appreciate the same debates would have been had back in 1996 if the internet had been around as it is now Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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............... perhaps helped because a 911 Turbo is a Good Thing, so the turbos with a small t enjoy some trickle-down glory.



The proper 911 turbos had a small 't'

It's the italics the latest Carreras don't have. Very Happy
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