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2K
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Location: West Sussex
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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:17 pm Post subject: 997.. Chocolate engine King now?
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I like the 997. However, Is it now time to hand the Crown over from the 21yo classic status 996, for the most currently chocolatey Porsche engine?
With many leapfrogging the leper 996 for the ’better’ 997. Is it time to accept the 996 was just one of many great 911’s along the timeline with mechanical quirks, the 997 being the latest..
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MisterCorn
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Joined: 08 Jan 2011
Posts: 7154
Location: Nottingham, England
2004 Porsche 996 Turbo
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:32 pm Post subject:
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Whoa there Leslie. The 996 had it's faults, some were caried over to the 997, some were worse on the 997. I like to think that that we are a big family of watercooled 911s sharing our faults from d-chunking and IMS bearing failure through to bore scoring without any real finger pointing. They are somewhat equally *****, just in different ways. We just have to look up to the Mezger boys. That said I would still take an early 996 3.4l over a 997.1 any day.
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Norfolk & Idea
Albert Park
Joined: 15 Jan 2016
Posts: 1541
Location: South Yorkshire
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:32 am Post subject: Re: 997.. Chocolate engine King now?
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| 2K wrote: | I like the 997. However, Is it now time to hand the Crown over from the 21yo classic status 996, for the most currently chocolatey Porsche engine?
With many leapfrogging the leper 996 for the ’better’ 997. Is it time to accept the 996 was just one of many great 911’s along the timeline with mechanical quirks, the 997 being the latest.. |
I know which I'd rather be in, and it ain't the leper, as you describe it.
'Hmmm, think I'll chop my 997 in for a 996' Said no one. Ever....
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Phil 997
Le Mans
Joined: 05 Dec 2015
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Location: Bournemouth,Dorset
2009 Porsche 997 Carrera 4S
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Its noticable that over the past few years attitudes have softened about the 996 and 997 engines and owners are becoming more accepting that we are going to have to look after these cars like the aircooled guys do and should it need a rebuild then just get on with it as part of owning an ageing 911. You rarely hear aircooled guys getting upset at having to rebuild engines or respray cars its just part of owning an ageing icon. I think people who saw these cars as cheap 911s stretched themselves to get into one and didnt consider the running costs of a 15/20 yrs old high performance sports car have learnt and moved on in the whole. We are a little isolated and if we took the time to read forums of other similar performance cars that are nearing 20 yrs old we would see a similar story of rebuilds and repaints and those that dont make icon status we dont hear about as they are already at the scrap yard . 
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ragpicker
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Norfolk & Idea
Albert Park
Joined: 15 Jan 2016
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Location: South Yorkshire
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:59 am Post subject: Re: 997.. Chocolate engine King now?
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| ragpicker wrote: | | Norfolk & Idea wrote: |
'Hmmm, think I'll chop my 997 in for a 996' Said no one. Ever.... |
Not true. There are people on this very forum who have done exactly that. |
How come I knew that was coming 
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HSC911
Long Beach
Joined: 23 Jul 2014
Posts: 6529
Location: Bedford
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I would like to hear GMG mk2's opinion please 
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GMG
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Location: Devon
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...GMG Numero Uno says that all 996/997 engines are made of chocolate and melt at the merest hint of heat...
So the only solution is to buy my rebuilt beauty for the utterly bargain basement price of £23,500...
You have been warned!
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Phil 997
Le Mans
Joined: 05 Dec 2015
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Location: Bournemouth,Dorset
2009 Porsche 997 Carrera 4S
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| GMG wrote: | ...GMG Numero Uno says that all 996/997 engines are made of chocolate and melt at the merest hint of heat...
So the only solution is to buy my rebuilt beauty for the utterly bargain basement price of £23,500...
You have been warned! |
 ouch, a broad comment like that is likely to turn this thread into a heated debate culminating in the thread getting locked I must try not to be the last poster when it does as I seem to then get the blame for it getting locked  out of curiosity does dark chocolate melt at the same temprature as milk chocolate  
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HSC911
Long Beach
Joined: 23 Jul 2014
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Location: Bedford
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| GMG wrote: | ...GMG Numero Uno says that all 996/997 engines are made of chocolate and melt at the merest hint of heat...
So the only solution is to buy my rebuilt beauty for the utterly bargain basement price of £23,500...
You have been warned! |
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paul987
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paul987
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Double post.
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Phil 997
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Location: Bournemouth,Dorset
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very good
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Alex
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2000 Porsche 996 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:55 am Post subject:
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Notice the choc car is a 997
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paul987
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I thought you might like that one gents... As Alex pointed out it is indeed a chocolate 997  If the engine is more Dairymilk than the 996, that's still open for debate.... although the 996 in old age does at least appear to be becoming more Bournville
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Alex
Le Mans
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:42 am Post subject:
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I love the dark stuff 
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Phil 997
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| alex yates wrote: | | Notice the choc car is a 997 |
think its a 996 with a 997 facelift kit either way it looks like its got barscore  
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mikeluke
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Phil,
Glad that you have your sense of humour intact whilst awaiting news from Hartech....
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Phil 997
Le Mans
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2009 Porsche 997 Carrera 4S
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| mikeluke wrote: | Phil,
Glad that you have your sense of humour intact whilst awaiting news from Hartech.... |
Thanks Mike, I am a cup half full type and accept it will be what it will be with my car. so no point in getting upset or losing sleep , did you know that you could buy 4000 bacon butties for the same as a Hartech rebuild So assuming one eats 2 bacon butties a day thats about the same money as I would spend on bacon over 5 years . so answer is to stop eating bacon and the car is cost neutral and I get slim as well "win win"
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MisterCorn
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2004 Porsche 996 Turbo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:40 pm Post subject:
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Never mind cup half full. You can get a glass and a half with those....
Chin up.
MC
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