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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:11 am    Post subject: When is it better to give up ? Reply with quote

Hi all, my car was taken to RSJ this week having been leaking oil like a tap. They think it will need an engine rebuild 8-10k worst case IMS Sad

Car is in otherwise good condition i bought in 2015 (54 plate) from RSJ.

if it costs me £8-10k and the car is worth (around 20-25) is it worth it? any advice would be great.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either way you are going to be out of pocket the cost of the rebuild. Whether that be the cost of it or trying to move it on for someone else to repair.
It's a case of which us the lesser of 2 evils. Sorry to hear mate and best of luck with your decision.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear your bad news, perhaps ask for other quotes from other companies on this Forum?

My father bought a 996 IMS failed car rebuild by Welsh Porsche and it has 150k on the clock now! He has around about 4-6 IMS rebuilds most weeks (02920 706 944) maybe worth a second opinion?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Either get rid now or put the money into it and keep it for a very long time Judge

Just my opinion...there are others but mine is usually right Grin

Good luck whatever you decide but think it over and listen to the advice on here Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id say its time to give up when you have owned 8 Porsches and had to rebuild or replace 5 engines. ££££££
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to share my man maths calculator with you .
car is worth 22/24k before the IMS popped. as often said these cars cost 2k pa to run ave maintaining bits so if you had kept it 4 yrs you would have expected to spend 8k on it in that time .

now you have a 10k rebuild, but if kept for 4 years with a rebuilt engine realistically the running cost ave should be more like 1k so you already have 4k of your 10k needed budget, a HARTECH Rebuilt 997.1 based on current prices are worth more like 28/29k this is 5k more than your car was currently worth pre the IMS issue. therefore you now have 9k of the rebuild budget.

only downside is you stuck driving a 911 for the next 4 years Grin Grin

So based on this calculation your no worse off in 4 years time than if you had not had the IMS pop and kept the car for 4 years .

that option versus the other option of sell the car now as a car with a blown engine for maybe 8k you lose 14/16k , for me its a no brainer which option to go with .

I hope my manmaths calculator has been of some use to you Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In terms of money I doubt it makes much difference. You had a car which was worth £20k, you now have a car which is worth £10k. If you fix it it is worth £20k again. The only thing for certain is that you are out of pocket by £10k. Sorry to hear that, but it is an unfortunate risk in owning a 996/997. Personally, if I liked the car and wanted to keep it I woild see it as an opportunity for upgrades. I would rather spend £12k to get it back better than before than spend £10k to have it just the same.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...when my ims end stud snapped off , destroying the shaft and sending swarf absolutely everywhere oil poured out as you describe...much too the irritation of the rescue company as litres of it ended up on their flatbed!

I am an having my engine completely rebuilt and then selling it as my confidence in the car and my frustration in the scrappy engineering and sheer bloody mindedness means that I just want to get rid and move on...

Very sorry for your loss and good luck with whatever you do however I think that you are probably best served by rebuilding and either keeping or moving it on...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get as many quotes as you can,,fix it ,, look after it,,,keep it
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
I need to share my man maths calculator with you .
car is worth 22/24k before the IMS popped. as often said these cars cost 2k pa to run ave maintaining bits so if you had kept it 4 yrs you would have expected to spend 8k on it in that time .

now you have a 10k rebuild, but if kept for 4 years with a rebuilt engine realistically the running cost ave should be more like 1k so you already have 4k of your 10k needed budget, a HARTECH Rebuilt 997.1 based on current prices are worth more like 28/29k this is 5k more than your car was currently worth pre the IMS issue. therefore you now have 9k of the rebuild budget.

only downside is you stuck driving a 911 for the next 4 years Grin Grin

So based on this calculation your no worse off in 4 years time than if you had not had the IMS pop and kept the car for 4 years .

that option versus the other option of sell the car now as a car with a blown engine for maybe 8k you lose 14/16k , for me its a no brainer which option to go with .

I hope my manmaths calculator has been of some use to you Thumb Thumb


That was a mind f__k for me!!

J
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: When is it better to give up ? Reply with quote

davirus82 wrote:
Hi all, my car was taken to RSJ this week having been leaking oil like a tap. They think it will need an engine rebuild 8-10k worst case IMS Sad

Car is in otherwise good condition i bought in 2015 (54 plate) from RSJ.

if it costs me £8-10k and the car is worth (around 20-25) is it worth it? any advice would be great.


cars with a fresh rebuild are trading at the higher estimate
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: When is it better to give up ? Reply with quote

davirus82 wrote:
Hi all, my car was taken to RSJ this week having been leaking oil like a tap. They think it will need an engine rebuild 8-10k worst case IMS Sad

Car is in otherwise good condition i bought in 2015 (54 plate) from RSJ.

if it costs me £8-10k and the car is worth (around 20-25) is it worth it? any advice would be great.


There is a guy on pistonheads looking for a 911 needing engine work. His username is GraemeP. Hope that is of help?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-- 997 -- wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
I need to share my man maths calculator with you .
car is worth 22/24k before the IMS popped. as often said these cars cost 2k pa to run ave maintaining bits so if you had kept it 4 yrs you would have expected to spend 8k on it in that time .

now you have a 10k rebuild, but if kept for 4 years with a rebuilt engine realistically the running cost ave should be more like 1k so you already have 4k of your 10k needed budget, a HARTECH Rebuilt 997.1 based on current prices are worth more like 28/29k this is 5k more than your car was currently worth pre the IMS issue. therefore you now have 9k of the rebuild budget.

only downside is you stuck driving a 911 for the next 4 years Grin Grin

So based on this calculation your no worse off in 4 years time than if you had not had the IMS pop and kept the car for 4 years .

that option versus the other option of sell the car now as a car with a blown engine for maybe 8k you lose 14/16k , for me its a no brainer which option to go with .

I hope my manmaths calculator has been of some use to you Thumb Thumb


That was a mind f__k for me!!

J


Grin Grin mate you need to get one of the limited edition man math calculators Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
-- 997 -- wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
I need to share my man maths calculator with you .
car is worth 22/24k before the IMS popped. as often said these cars cost 2k pa to run ave maintaining bits so if you had kept it 4 yrs you would have expected to spend 8k on it in that time .

now you have a 10k rebuild, but if kept for 4 years with a rebuilt engine realistically the running cost ave should be more like 1k so you already have 4k of your 10k needed budget, a HARTECH Rebuilt 997.1 based on current prices are worth more like 28/29k this is 5k more than your car was currently worth pre the IMS issue. therefore you now have 9k of the rebuild budget.

only downside is you stuck driving a 911 for the next 4 years Grin Grin

So based on this calculation your no worse off in 4 years time than if you had not had the IMS pop and kept the car for 4 years .

that option versus the other option of sell the car now as a car with a blown engine for maybe 8k you lose 14/16k , for me its a no brainer which option to go with .

I hope my manmaths calculator has been of some use to you Thumb Thumb


That was a mind f__k for me!!

J


Grin Grin mate you need to get one of the limited edition man math calculators Grin Thumb


Ill be looking out for one !!! 😁👍

J
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: When is it better to give up ? Reply with quote

Kettmark wrote:
davirus82 wrote:
Hi all, my car was taken to RSJ this week having been leaking oil like a tap. They think it will need an engine rebuild 8-10k worst case IMS Sad

Car is in otherwise good condition i bought in 2015 (54 plate) from RSJ.

if it costs me £8-10k and the car is worth (around 20-25) is it worth it? any advice would be great.


There is a guy on pistonheads looking for a 911 needing engine work. His username is GraemeP. Hope that is of help?

heres that PH post (https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=230&t=1765492) I don't know if you need to be a PH member to view. its free tho like this excellent forum we have.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are great man maths Phil 997! I like those a lot. Great reasoning and it even makes sense!

As a newby to 911's I feel like I'm reading story's like this all the time, which really doesn't inspire confidence!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also a guy on here looking for a 997 needing work in the Cars for Sale/Wanted section.
 
  
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davirus82
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the help. It has been great to have this forum for advice.

Will do the finances, and figure out a way to pay Sad
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sad times, may i ask the mileage?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

davirus82 wrote:
Thanks everyone for the help. It has been great to have this forum for advice.

Will do the finances, and figure out a way to pay Sad


I would also have a chat with Hartech about the difference in cost to rebuild as is versus the cost to rebuild as a Hartech 3.9 which I am sure would make it even more interesting to future buyers after you have finished have fun with it. Thumb
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