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bobi61
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 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:26 pm Post subject: Laying up for winter
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Hi guys wonder what you think about taking my 997-1 off the road Nov-Apr. What should I do to keep the car ready for use as it is now I only use the car at weekend and every now and then I miss a weekend. Any advise will be appreciated
Bob
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911UK
Porsche Community
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| Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:35 pm Post subject:
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if the car is going to off the road
depends on how secure the car is going to be, i.e. in a garage or outside, ideally the former
- leave it in gear with the handbrake off, with the wheels chocked
- have the battery attached to a trickle charger
- will assume the anti-freeze concentration is fine
- stick it on a SORN and get a tax refund
- cover the car even if it's inside a garage
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bobi61
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Joined: 13 Mar 2016
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I am really lucky I have a garage that has a access road that is gated and locked so no issue re security I was thinking do I start it back it in and out etc etc every month say ??
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drmark
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Joined: 07 Feb 2009
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And over inflate tyres - particularly rears - to stop flat spots.
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Johnd52
Nürburgring
Joined: 06 Oct 2014
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Location: North Yorkshire
2011 Porsche Cayman
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:12 am Post subject:
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All very practical and sensible, but too early!!
Like selling Christmas decorations in the shops, this topic should be banned until the beginning of November. - too depressing 
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alex yates
Brands Hatch
Joined: 06 Mar 2014
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Location: The Ribble Valley, Lancashire
2000 Porsche 996 Carrera 4
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:56 am Post subject:
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| bobi61 wrote: | | I am really lucky I have a garage that has a access road that is gated and locked so no issue re security I was thinking do I start it back it in and out etc etc every month say ?? |
These days it's not how secure your car is......it's how secure your keys are. Put more effort into hiding them than securing the car.
Also, you might wanna put a mouse trap under the car with a big lump of chocolate on.
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bobi61
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:36 am Post subject:
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Well failing to prepare is preparing to fail whatever the time of year still not a deffo but all comments really helpful !!
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T8
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Location: Kent
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:02 am Post subject:
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| bobi61 wrote: |
....... do I start it back it in and out etc etc every month say ??
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No. Just put it on a trickle charger and leave it.
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rigsby99
Monza
Joined: 22 Oct 2015
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Location: South Cheshire
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:06 am Post subject:
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It's a motor car, use it, laying up is not good.
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pzero
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Joined: 18 Jul 2010
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Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:29 am Post subject:
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That time already?
It seems that this question pops up every year.
OP, have a search of the forum, you will find plenty of advice about laying your car up for winter and plenty of advice for not laying your car up for winter.
You might even find Alex's advice when he first posted up using chocolate to catch mice, or Martian's good advice, or GT4's good advice. It's all there. 
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rob001
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| Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:14 am Post subject:
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I'm often away for a few months so when longer periods away I usually pump the tires to 3,5 - 5 bar, battery tender and a car cover (indoor garage). Nothing else and why should you.
Before I additional pulled the fuel pump fuse and when back after a few months, start without full pump fuse to build op oil pressure in tappets and pumping oil around prior firing up. To lazy for that now..
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neil_911
Monza
Joined: 04 Dec 2016
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Location: Doncaster
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:45 am Post subject:
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| 911UK wrote: | if the car is going to off the road
depends on how secure the car is going to be, i.e. in a garage or outside, ideally the former
- leave it in gear with the handbrake off, with the wheels chocked
- have the battery attached to a trickle charger
- will assume the anti-freeze concentration is fine
- stick it on a SORN and get a tax refund
- cover the car even if it's inside a garage |
I'm pretty sure if you SORN a car now the insurance is no longer valid.....
Has to be a different type of policy I think. I looked into it last year and read something in the small print that made me just keep it taxed as it was less hassle for a few months tax rebate.
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Lex
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Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Location: Coventry
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:52 am Post subject:
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The first reply has all the advice I would offer.
No benefit in starting it on occasions, you'll just end up diluting the oil with petrol causing bigger problems.
@neil_99. Not sure I follow your comments. As I understand it a car has to be insured, if taxed. But just because its SORN doesn't mean you can't use traditional insurance. Why would they care if its parked in a garage for X amount of time without leaving, that pretty much the case for any weekend toy, parked for 99% of the time.
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squelch
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Joined: 05 Jun 2016
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Location: Bucks
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:43 pm Post subject:
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| neil_911 wrote: | I'm pretty sure if you SORN a car now the insurance is no longer valid.....
Has to be a different type of policy I think. I looked into it last year and read something in the small print that made me just keep it taxed as it was less hassle for a few months tax rebate. |
I have three cars currently SORN'd and fully insured and I've never heard of this. Cars sat in garages eliminate the road risk aspect reducing the insurer's risk so I'd have thought they'd be more than happy to insure a car that goes nowhere whilst charging for a full, "road-going" policy. Of course, policies are also available for cars in storage at reduced rates without road-risk.
| Lex wrote: | | As I understand it a car has to be insured, if taxed. |
I don't think that's even the case any more - it used to be that to tax a car it had to be MOT'd and insured, but now it seems the government's decided they'd rather just have the money than have a mechanism in place to prevent uninsured drivers - lack of a valid tax disc used to be a flag to PC Plod that no tax is in place and that often went hand in hand with no insurance but now there's no tax disc many uninsured people simply take their chances with ANPR detection. From what I can tell the only thing that will stop you taxing your car online is if there's no valid MOT.
Anyway, back to the original topic; increased tyre pressures and a battery monitor will suffice. Obviously a decent environment would also be advisable and having heard of mice eating through costly wiring looms etc it may be worth laying out and monitoring rodent traps if there's any risk of rodents getting in. Although increased tyre pressures should avoid flat spots (and modern low profile tyres are less prone to it than the old, squishy tyres) I tend to periodically roll mine back and forth as and when I'm in the garage tinkering about.
Oh and if you're putting it away straight after a wash, be sure to dry off the brakes with a quick run up the road to avoid the pads sticking to the discs.
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neil_911
Monza
Joined: 04 Dec 2016
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Location: Doncaster
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:18 pm Post subject:
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You are probably correct, and its me that misread something.
I probably read it as an untaxed vehicle is considered insurance invalid.
Yeah, you're right a car in a garage is less likely to be damaged by use on the road. But who pays out if your garage catches fire? 
All i know is insurance companies will do ANYTHING to not pay out, for the sake of saving a few hundred quid over winter, Is it really worth it if they refuse to pay out for whatever reason.
As long as its Taxed, Insured, MOT'd. I can sleep at night
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neil_911
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:24 pm Post subject:
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Infact i've just read my motor insurance policy and it states the car must be taxed and hold a valid in date MOT certificate.
I just think its a grey area, thats all.
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FRZ 911
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2007 Porsche 997 Carrera 4S
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:46 pm Post subject:
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| rob001 wrote: | I'm often away for a few months so when longer periods away I usually pump the tires to 3,5 - 5 bar, battery tender and a car cover (indoor garage). Nothing else and why should you.
Before I additional pulled the fuel pump fuse and when back after a few months, start without full pump fuse to build op oil pressure in tappets and pumping oil around prior firing up. To lazy for that now.. |
 I recently put my car back on the road after 10 months storage with nothing more than a trickle charger, tyre savers (with slightly overinflated tyres as well) and an indoor cover. The car went straight to the MOT centre and came out the other side with no advisories so there's little really needed to be honest. 
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isysman
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| neil_911 wrote: | Infact i've just read my motor insurance policy and it states the car must be taxed and hold a valid in date MOT certificate.
I just think its a grey area, thats all. |
The assumption being is that you're using it on the road so it must be taxed and have an MOT.
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Magic919
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The Continuous Insurance law means you have to insure a vehicle if you haven’t declared SORN. This is the same as saying a taxed vehicle must have insurance.
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isysman
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I hear-by name this thread the "Why are you putting your car away, you pussy you should just use it" thread!
There's one every year!
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