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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG mk2 wrote:
Put shocks on one of these non Hartech'd cars and if it goes bang you're into McLaren 720S money. Fact.

Don't do it.

Keep it moving, nothing to see here.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see its retard trolling Friday again.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^

Ouch baby, very ouch.

Remember, before you judge a man you should walk a mile in his shoes....

That way, when you judge him you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes.
 
  
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Stotty
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just picked up the car. Only driven it back to work from GT One, so will need to give it a proper drive over the weekend, but 1st impressions are good.

Only needed a rear stabiliser mounting in addition to the shocks and springs... so no massive additional cost. Ride height looks good, and it will likely settle a bit lower as I get some miles on it.

It's set up one level up from full soft, with X74 alignment. Over rough town roads (I drive everyday), it's firmer than before which is no surprise as my old shocks had 170k on them and blew through their travel before hitting the bump stops over big bumps... but it actually feels more comfortable as there's much less suspension movement.

Glad I had chance to drive it with the Cup wheel before I fitted the suspension - the wheel makes such a big difference I'd have needed to mentally separate the 2 changes... overall, it feels like a very different car now... much more direct to steer.

Looking forward to having a more spirited drive at thee weekend.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumb Good to hear. Some pics would be great to show height.

When you say one level up from soft how many turns from full soft is that?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll get some pics at the weekend - it looks nice... not mega low, but will likely settle a bit more. It looks to have a small amount of rake, but I'll need to have a proper look to be sure.

1 up from full soft is half a turn - I think the shocks have 720* of adjustment (will check). Doubt I'd want it any firmer for daily road use.

Might look for some new ARB's as Indy said mine had quite a bit of surface rust.

Best news was it only needed 1 small part (inexpensive) in addition to the springs and shocks, so the bill was sensible for once Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect thanks. IIRC its rebound that's adjustable on them so it would be good to know if front or rear is better with a differing rebound front to back i.e. is back better with less rebound.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right - rebound is adjustable.

I'll need to drive it a bit before deciding if I want to change anything. Though I already don't think I'd go any harder on the rear with the state of the roads round here!
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jezgreen911
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to hear all went well with the installation and I look forward to reading your further review Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ll sort a better photo, but this should give you an idea of ride height



Low enough for me for road use.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking good, very similar as you'd expect to the ride height on the Eibach springs, time for me to add to my winter/spring jobs list and get the dampers ordered Smile Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride height looks perfect , aalways nice when no big extra surprises of a lot other parts needed , thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you possibly measure the distance from the centre of the wheel to the edge of the arch so I can compare, mine is lowered too by a previous owner, but I scrape on lots of things so would like to know what drop I have compared to your set up
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GMG mk2 wrote:
^^^^

Ouch baby, very ouch.

Remember, before you judge a man you should walk a mile in his shoes....

That way, when you judge him you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes.


I like my own shoes thanks. Car are for going miles in.

so judge a person by their shoes you are saying?...cheap shoes....
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just back from a c.200 miles drive. Morning hoon, followed by a trip to Brent Cross and back along motorway and A roads.

As well as the springs and shocks, it's aligned to X74 spec... so a bit more camber and a bit less toe at the rear. Shocks are set to 1 up from full soft (rebound adjustable).

Thoughts...

1st thing I did was check the tyre pressures as it was very hard over sharp bumps. Found rears were on 46psi and fronts on 39! Set them to 38/32, and later checked them at another garage to make sure the pressure gauge wasn't reading wrong.

Immediate and vast improvement in ride quality over rough surfaces - new suspension can't stop the thumping at the rear over short, sharp transverse bumps/ridges, but it's loads better than it was. Steering also much nicer.

Over longer bumps and compressions, it's very good... even at speed, it soaks them up nicely. I am going to sort uprated ARB's (already have a MO30 front bar on the way and looking for a rear bar to match) as I'd like less roll at the rear when turning in.

Together with the Cup wheel, it now feels much sharper, and much more responsive.... certainly doesn't feel like a car with anywhere near 170k miles on it Smile

Happy I made the right choice give the budget... parts, fitting and alignment c.£1,700.


asterix_the_gaul wrote:
Could you possibly measure the distance from the centre of the wheel to the edge of the arch so I can compare, mine is lowered too by a previous owner, but I scrape on lots of things so would like to know what drop I have compared to your set up


It measures 650mm from road to arch at the front front, 660mm rear. On 225/40/18 & 265/35/18.

Not had any issues with the front scraping, even when I hit a big depression at high speed with the OS front and the suspension hit the bump stop (didn't see it until too late to avoid).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds all pretty much what I expected, good to get confirmation. If can report back in a little while that would be great?

Going to change rebound at all to see if it drives better?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coullstar wrote:
Sounds all pretty much what I expected, good to get confirmation. If can report back in a little while that would be great?

Going to change rebound at all to see if it drives better?


No problems... I'd been driving the Touareg most days as it's so comfy/easy to drive, but since I had the shocks fitted it's not left the drive. Got a good run to the Bicester Scramble next weekend too, so I'll let you know how my thoughts progress.

I'll leave the rebound as is at the moment. I want to change the ARB's before I make any changes as I think a bit of extra rear roll stiffness will significantly improve the handling... already picked up a front MO30 bar, just need to find a suitable rear to go with it - either a rear MO30, or if I can't get one, an after market bar.

I'm also back to seriously thinking about the forged wheels I mentioned on your thread... I'm not 100% convinced on the aesthetics, but a c.33% weight saving should give a decent improvement in wheel control.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update after c.1k miles...

Other than a 500 mile round trip to Liverpool last week, the Touareg still hasn’t left the drive. The lure of heated seats and steering wheel hasn’t been enough to get me out of the 996... it just feels so nice.

Yesterday, I went to meet a mate who’s just bought a 996. 90 miles of motorway went smoothly enough, and gave access to some of the brilliant A & B roads around Kimbolton, including the B660 of Evo fame.

The way it handles rough, bumpy B roads is spot on - just the right balance of compliance and control at speed.

Week Monday I’m having rennline semi solid engine mounts and updated ARBs fitted, which I expect/hope will give it an even better feeling of control, particularly rear weight transfers.

Maybe Ohlins would feel even better, but at £1k, the Koni kit is fabulous value.
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Marky911
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good result! That does sit very nicely. Thumb

Seems like a decent sensibly priced solution.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear, Im watching out for some black Friday deals to maybe load up the credit card Laughing
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