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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject: 997 turbo S - am I mad? Reply with quote

Hi

New to the board but looking for a bit of advice (or hand-holding!) when it comes to a porsche 997 turbo.

I was initially looking for a nice 997 turbo manual (Gen 1 or 1.5) due to appeal of engine, manual box, rarity and hopefully a safe place to put my money. The more I have been looking, the more the price seems to go higher for a nice car, especially if you add in warranty. I don't think I would feel happy without a warranty due to potential costs even though the cars are pretty bulletproof. This also narrows the search to reputable companies like 911 virgin, RPM, JZM etc.

The other issue is that I live in the midlands (Stourbridge) so all in-house warranties are not that useful as most of these sellers are 100+miles away.

This then led me to up the budget and look at 997 turbo S's which could come from OPC's so have 2yrs warranty and due to limited numbers would seemingly be a good place to put my money as depreciation seems very slow. I would be happy with PDK as had a few fast cars with good autos (M3, M5, E63 etc)

The car will be a toy and hence would like it to be as 'special' as possible and hopefully I can do 3k miles per year to make owning it worth it.

Is spending £90k on a turbo S madness when I can get a nice 997 gen 1 (or ideally 1.5) for £20-30k less??

The man maths is pushing me to the Turbo S but its a lot of money to part with!!

Any help much appreciated!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope they’re great, found it very difficult to replace when I bought a replacement recently..
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 Turbos S is pdk only, but that really is the right gearbox for one. There was another thread with the same question earlier this year I think. Will see if I can find it for you.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 997 turbo S - am I mad? Reply with quote

docdale wrote:


The car will be a toy and hence would like it to be as 'special' as possible and hopefully I can do 3k miles per year to make owning it worth it.

Is spending £90k on a turbo S madness when I can get a nice 997 gen 1 (or ideally 1.5) for £20-30k less??



Or £40k less

See => 997.1 Turbo with 17 months OPC Warranty for £49,995

If you're not averse to an automatic even the Tiptronic box is great in a Turbo.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 997 Turbo S is Epic ..... performance that can change conception of fast at a tweak of the right foot ...

If you ar3 already thinking along these lines I would say jus5 go try one or two to get a feel for the extra performance in the S ......

They really are special cars ...I would venture to say worth 90k all day long if you get a good one ...

The PDK box transforms the Turbo performance, night and day above the tiptronic ...

Try one and you will probably buy one ... so it’s in your hands ...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best first post ever Grin

Buy it and whack up some pictures will you wack

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Docdale go try one!

Welcome, this is a great place to share your Porsche experience!

I’ve got a tip 1.5 turbo and I love it, I darent try a pdk!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silvermilnec wrote:
Docdale go try one!

Welcome, this is a great place to share your Porsche experience!

I’ve got a tip 1.5 turbo and I love it, I darent try a pdk!!


Try one ...and buy one .....
You know you want to !.......

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was spending 90k I would certainly be looking at GT3s as well as turbos . you really need to try both before deciding, both lovely and both very exciting but in slightly different ways . Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
silvermilnec wrote:
Docdale go try one!

Welcome, this is a great place to share your Porsche experience!

I’ve got a tip 1.5 turbo and I love it, I darent try a pdk!!


Try one ...and buy one .....
You know you want to !.......

T
I feel so fortunate to own this one! Maybe one day

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
If I was spending 90k I would certainly be looking at GT3s as well as turbos . you really need to try both before deciding, both lovely and both very exciting but in slightly different ways . Thumb


I'd also be thinking that I could get a 991 Turbo for that sort of money...
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the input. Certainly no one saying Turbo S is a bad idea!!

991 - worried that values have a long way to fall, especially as I have read not as limited numbers

GT3 - although nice, I really want occasional seats so can enjoy the car with the kids

My biggest worry I think is really whether to spend (well, borrow!) the extra 20-30-40k on top of a nice Gen 1 or 1.5 manual. I think both will hold value quite well perhaps the Gen 1 or 1.5 even better. On reading so far, the Gen 1.5 manual seems a very safe place to put my money, although limited numbers means the starting prices are higher!

Although 'money isn't everything' I want to buy sensibly to make sure there is always money in the pot for future toys!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

docdale wrote:


My biggest worry I think is really whether to spend (well, borrow!) the extra 20-30-40k on top of a nice Gen 1 or 1.5 manual.



Surely if you're needing to borrow that sort of extra cash to buy a more expensive car you'll be losing out financially in the long term. Dont know
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best advice I've ever been given on here is go and drive them before even starting to make your mind up. I've got a Gen 1 with a 'tip box, and have also driven a couple of Boxster S's with PDK, and I would imagine that the difference in the gearbox will be the biggest difference between the two cars.

The 'tip box isn't for everyone, and I know which of the two I would have if money wasn't an issue, but it has to be a choice made when you've driven both.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Turbo S is a great car, I have had mine 16 mnts and although I have only driven it approx 1600 miles have loved every one and as it stands consider it a keeper.

Like you I wanted rear seats.... well seat belts, I have removed the seats and replaced them with the kids car seats. The 991 does not appeal as much to me, undoubtedly a great car, but I prefer the 997 on many levels.

I think your money will be pretty safe in any 997 turbo as long as you buy well.

The market has changed a lot from when I was looking 18 mnts ago. Then there was less than 5 Turbo S coupes available at any one time and they would sell in less than a week. Now there is probably more like 20 available and many have been available for over 6 months.

Asking prices have become more realistic Hexagon have one for example (black 20K miles) that they originally put up at £105K and is now down to £85K). If you are fixed on one from an OPC I would suggest that either of the two for sale now could be bought for £85K with a bit of negotiation.

It is worth noting that many of the cars outside of the OPC network are being sold on behalf of the owners SOR, so many will have transferable warranties. Failing that as long as it passes the OPC checks you could put one on after 90 days.

Only you can decide how much you want to spend. I started looking at cars at £50K and ended up spending a lot more........ any regrets...... absolutely none.

Looking at the current market asking prices with 25-30K miles I see the spread like this.....

997.1 Manual - £60 - 65K
997.1.5 manual - £70 - £75K
997.2 PDK - £70 - 75K
997.2 Turbo S - £80 - 90K

.... so for equal miles / spec around £20K....... obviously older cars and those with bigger miles etc will be cheaper, late and really high spec cars may be more etc.

As has been said already, if you drive a couple, I think you will be able to see whether it is worth stretching or not Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The turbo 'S' was actually quite a popular car in the UK and there were a lot registered.
I'm going to get shot for this but I've had a Gen 1 Turbo Tip and I've now got a Gen 2 Turbo PDK.
Here's my two pence worth; The Gen 1 is now getting long in the tooth, so will more than likely require a few major service items, such as coolant pipes, water pump, rads, condensors, disk and pads, exhaust and a few other things.
The PDK box is stunning, it is the right box for the car hands down. The PDK is a manual type box with an auto change and the 'Tip' is an old style Auto box that can be over ridden with manual control.
The DFi engine has no know problems, the Metzger is a bit of a legend as it's derived from a Porsche race engine so hence the cult status but don't get wrapped up in buying one because in all honesty your not going to notice any major differences other than the noise, the DFi powered cars are a lot more refined, noise levels are lower and the power delivery of the DFi is a bit more 'refined'. The interior is another problem, the Gen 2 upgrade really pulled the cars up, the Gen 1 interior is dated and lacks the Bluetooth and up to date Sat Nav and also connectivity of peripherals. I know it can be pulled out and upgraded but that detracts from being a Gen 1.
There is actually a really nicely spec'd Gen 2 Turbo for sale at RPM Technik, it has the Carbon backed seats and PCCB's, mileage is a bit leggy but the car looks good and if your mileage is low then it'll not hurt it too much.
Now is the time to buy, cash in hand you can probably get a lot of car for your money, £70k should get you a really good car.
G T 3's are epic but they're a whole different car to a Turbo and from what I've seen need more TLC.
One last thing I think the 997 is the best looking car.
See if you can get a drive of a Turbo PDK, if you were closer to me I would take you for a run out, you won't be disappointed they're a very fast, capable car.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice. RPM also have a couple of gen 1.5’s that look nice. The trouble is the price makes them closer to a gen 2 pdk.
Will keep looking and try to see and drive a couple then go from there.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maph - thanks also for your detailed reply. The range of price is quite large, I just need to decide if it’s worth a stretch!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gen 1.5's are a good compromise but the ones I looked at always had something missing in their spec's, sometimes it was Sport Chrono not fitted or no 18 way electric seats. Good Gen 1.5, especially manuals fetch high money and they are pretty rare. TBH a good low mileage one will cost you as much as a Gen 2.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't get bogged down with the Gen 1 to 1.5 thing. The more time goes on the less relevant the gadget thing will become.

If you want something with all the gadgets then 991.

If you want superfast, easy to drive and refinement then PDK 997.2

If you want superfast, a bit more work, noise and raw driving then Manual 997.1.

If you just want out n out raw - 997 GT3

997 Turbos aren't a rare car, however, the 997.1 is the last Manual Turbo Mezger? Will this help prices in the future? You need to ask Boba Fett for that.

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