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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:18 pm    Post subject: Running a 996 is becoming an expensive hobby... Reply with quote

Having owned my C4S for 1 year (and 2 days), I’ve just had her in for some remedial work that was picked up on the last service. Having now just got a bill for £2k I thought I’d tot up my expenses over the past year.

This most recent bill brings my Year 1 costs to over £7k, which is hugely frustrating as I was about to look into selling the car on. The latest job involved replacing both power steering hoses (front to back) and replacing the water pump amongst other things, all jobs that need doing but I’m feeling a little unlucky that they’ve all fallen in my ownership.

My man maths had this car as being one I could run for 12-18months and come out of fairly clean, but alas not to be. I guess when it does go someone is going to get a pretty sorted car, but I’m going to enjoy it for a while yet and see if I can have the next 6 months or so without having any additional expenses. The car owes me £31.5k, if i told my Mrs she’d go nuts.

Anyone having similar, or perhaps had zero costs in the last year?

I just wanted to vent because I’m a little frustrated right now....
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No such thing as a free lunch unfortunately.

I've owned mine for 2.5 years and although I haven't added it up, I'll have almost the £13k purchase price in it again on top, if not more. And I do a LOT of the work myself.

There'll be folk who say you can run them for peanuts but I guarantee if I bought their car it would need most of the things mine has had.
It depends on your approach and how "right" you like things.

Regards mine, I'm not in anyway pee'd off about the costs but I've owned 911s since I was 25 and I'm 41 now. I buy cars I genuinely like and never buy with a view to sell. That way values and all that jazz never affect me.
I know what they cost and if that bothered me too much I'd buy something different.

Your costs don't sound too bad really. Enjoy the car and the fact you aren't in a scrimped on example. The longer you keep one the more the bills settle down. Engine blow up excluded and I very much doubt I'll spend £5k over the next 5 years now.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had my C4S for under a year and in that time I've needed:
Clutch/flywheel
Water pump
Lost the locking wheel nut lug, in the end replaced all studs
I need a new exhaust too
New rear tyres

Other bits done/to do this year:
Carbon bits for the interior
Full paint correction
All 4 wheels refurbished
Service

I feel your pain.... admittedly I knew some bit needed doing
Man maths says spend now and enjoy the next few years relatively pain free
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any old car will need constant spending, Porsche parts and labour are not the cheapest.

Even more so if you want it "mint".

Sometimes I think people on this forum are crazy, they should have just bought a far newer 911 and shouldered a bit of depreciation rather than shell out for specialists and constant parts to keep their 20 year old one running sweetly. OK upfront capital cost may be higher but lots on here seem to have deep pockets.

I've easy spent 6k in 5 years, that is just parts I did all the spannering and servicing myself. I don't spend money easily, but it has to drive right or there is no point to owning it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got to have your eyes open, any car that's approaching 20 years old will need work, sure there's a bit of luck involved but you've got to expect regular bills if you want to keep it well maintained.

Also as said bills are normally front loaded as you get your car to the standard you want, especially if like me you didn't have much option but to come in at the lower end of the market. Hopefully things will settle down as you tick off the big jobs.

If you follow my 3 tips for classic car ownership you won't go far wrong.

1. Do as much work yourself as you can.
2. Never add up your bills.
3. Never ever tell your wife how much things cost 😂
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grey996 wrote:


1. Do as much work yourself as you can.
2. Never add up your bills.
3. Never ever tell your wife how much things cost 😂


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
Grey996 wrote:


1. Do as much work yourself as you can.
2. Never add up your bills.
3. Never ever tell your wife how much things cost 😂


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm saying nothing on this thread
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^ Grin


Wasz - I see your point but for me personally the only 911s newer than a 996 that I'd own would be GT3s and they cost way more than I'll ever have in my 996. Plus GT3s cost a fortune to keep right as they get older.

So yep if any 911 will do, then buy the newest one you can with an OPC warranty. Job jobbed.
But if analogue and classic are your thing, which they are very much for me, then big running costs are just part and parcel of 911s. Plus you can't tinker much when you have an OPC warranty dictating things.

I'd go even older if I could, back to a 964....
and 964 bills would give 996 bills the sh*ts. Grin

Like I say as long as we are buying cars we like because they excite us or whatever then it's generally win-win, once you get past the costs.

If someone buys one as an "investment" though, or to run for nothing then flip it, well they're probably in for a bit of a learning experience. Wink
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - what was wrong with your power steering pipes?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad yep 3.and half grand this year on it feel my love affair is over now its just a moody moaning wife divorce round the corner
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a quick look at my spending. £7,800 in 4.5 years including ALL maintenance, servicing, MOTs, tyres, tarting up & mods. £9,100 if I include 5 years insurance.

Jobs done are:

New rear bonnet strut - self 
Repaired horn - self 
Painted wheel bolts - self 
Refurbished rear discs - self 
Unblocked all water drains - self 
Full service: oil, filters, plugs - garage 
Both aircon rads - self 
Vac'd out and gassed up - garage 
Replaced balast resistor - self 
iPod integration - self 
Tracking - garage 
New wiper blades - self 
Retrofit cruise control - garage 
Mesh grills - self 
Repaired secondary air unit - self 
MOT
New rear brake lines & fluid change - garage 
2 new front tyres - garage 
New radiator - self 
New engine coolant - self 
Replaced Gearbox Oil - self
Fixed leaking rear window - self 
New heated wing mirror Glasses
Refurbished inside of 1 wheel - self 
Front LH CV boot - garage 
Repaired washer motor - self 
New stainless exhaust manifolds - garage 
Hardtop including respray - garage 
Front bumper respray - garage 
4 new speakers - self 
Renovo Soft Top Kit
Diff. unit rebuild - bearings, gears, seals - garage
Full major service - Oil, filters, gearbox + diff oils - garage
2 new rear tyres - garage 
6 x Bosch Coil Packs - self
MOT - garage
2 x Falken Azenis FK453 295/30 ZR18 - garage
Skimmed up rear discs and fit new brake shoes - self
2 x New Engine Mounts - self
New Clutch, IMS bearing sorted, leak fixed, Gbox oil - garage
Short-shifter fitted - self
Amberectomy - self
Side Amberectomy - self
Skimmed up front discs
Service - oil & filters
New Coffin arm and exhaust clamps
OS rear handbrake cable
Reverse light switch
Wheel centre caps & dust caps
Philips Xtreme Vision Headlight Bulbs
2 x Falken Azenis FK453 295/30 ZR18 - garage
Service - oil, filters & plugs
Powerflex Gearbox mount insert
Top Gear Back box fitting
Driver's side window regulator
Aircon pipe replacement and regas
2 x Falken Azenis FK510 225/40 R18 - garage
Xtrons TL702P Double Din Head Unit + Fitting Kit
2 x Falken Azenis FK453 295/30 ZR18 - garage
Replace faulty LH rear wheel speed sensor
Fit new Cabriolet top
Service - Shell Helix & filters
Fit 2 x track rod ends
Fit rear Mintex brake pads
Refurbish Alloy Wheels


I'll be honest, I don't like spending money and don't get fleeced.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I say to anyone who asks me about buying a Porsche, be prepared for a £10,000 bill out of the blue at any given time Sad

I`ve, so far, been lucky with my pair over 4-5 years only servicing costs, which I do myself, a set of disks and pads on the Boxster which now is broken with a waterpump failure, which I will replace tomorrow Thumb

Could be worse, I`ve just been round to help a fellow 996 owner who has recently had an £11,750 bill for an engine rebuild, but still loves his car Grin

If Porsches were cheap to run, everyone would have one wouldn`t they Question

As they say, "Porsche, There Is No Substitute" thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
OP - what was wrong with your power steering pipes?


The return pipe was leaking at the rack (it was mentioned as being on way out at the service in June) the other one was ok but there was no additional labour doing them both as the subframe has to be dropped.

I’m ok with the costs, it’s just the timing as I was considering moving the car on as I use it far less than I’d like. If I need to enjoy it for another year I can live with that, it’s a brilliant car and it will be pretty sorted soon. I just calculated the monthly cost of ownership so far and it’s scary.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - your thread title clarified the issue - Porsche ownership is never going to be anything but an expensive hobby...but at least you can drive it and enjoy it and share it. Some people spend more - much more - on lesser cars... and watches...

I have mine just over a year - I could have spent nothing, but I chose to spend either out of preventative maintenance, upgrading, or restoration. I haven’t done the numbers for the reasons pointed out above, but it’s probable 3k and I did 99% of the work myself. If I didn’t spend it out of choice this year, it would break in the next year...

Your next year of ownership should be cheaper - so keep it and drive it!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add me to the list, I LOVE this car and its a keeper so doesn't hurt too much to keep it tip top, doesn't take away the fact its big money on a hobby and i will be honest i didn't know it would cost me what it has done when i first started looking for one, apart from the usual stories of engines it goes deeper than that and it's many things around just the horror engine failure that may or may not happen!,

Owned mine over 2 years now, first year spent £3.2k servicing, repairs, tyres, this year £1k service, upgrades out of choice but some pre failure upgrades, prior to buying mine the previous owner had spent lots on suspension upgrades and servicing but i still found lots to do! and the list goes on (mostly because i want things done not needed really)

Every example is different of course and like people say luck can come into it, not to mention choice of specialist doing the work, i found certain places charging nearly double for the same job,

Enjoy the car, but i will say at least you have a nice list of jobs done to achieve a higher sale price when you do sit down and write the advert, great job also mate at least you had the work done to keep the car performing as it should, now get out and enjoy the hard work when you get the time.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
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Wasz - I see your point but for me personally the only 911s newer than a 996 that I'd own would be GT3s and they cost way more than I'll ever have in my 996. Plus GT3s cost a fortune to keep right as they get older.

So yep if any 911 will do, then buy the newest one you can with an OPC warranty. Job jobbed.
But if analogue and classic are your thing, which they are very much for me, then big running costs are just part and parcel of 911s. Plus you can't tinker much when you have an OPC warranty dictating things.

I'd go even older if I could, back to a 964....
and 964 bills would give 996 bills the sh*ts. Grin

Like I say as long as we are buying cars we like because they excite us or whatever then it's generally win-win, once you get past the costs.

If someone buys one as an "investment" though, or to run for nothing then flip it, well they're probably in for a bit of a learning experience. Wink


I agree 100% with this, with the caveat that if it stops being fun/it’s costing too much then it’s clear you should move on, hobby’s should be fun.

I’m trying to stop my C55 going the same way as my 996 at the moment- it’s meant to be the bike and shopping wago that sits outside in the rain. Problem is I don’t think anyone told it that.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car came with £48,600’s worth of bills over it’s life. Plus I’ve put £2,900 into her in the last 2 years of ownership.
£2,710 per year. Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sounds about right to be honest.

I always feel like this after a year of ownership as you to tend to spend a lot to start with to get it how you want it. They bill then settle out Ive found. On my Rs4 it actually made me money last year as I sold a heap of bits Id taken off. Laughing

Ive had mine almost a year and not sure what Ive spent but its basically had all new exhaust and clutch plus about 6 sets of wheels until Im happy. I dare say suspension will be next but the way I look it is then its just consumables really after that plus its allowed me to pick the items I want on the car rather than living with what other people have. You have to keep them a while for it to make sense.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Similar experience to mine. Bought the car in May 2017 for 18k, a 996 cabriolet. First service had everything done that needed doing, £2k. Two front tyres, PS2s at around £250 the pair. This year it had a new exhaust - as the car is intended as a keeper I looked at original Porsche replacement or Kline. Went with Kline as cheaper but still came in at around £3700, but should last longer than the original mild steel effort that had begun to corrode and blow after 15 years and 70k miles.

However, when wife complains I point her to our other main car, a 2012 diesel Volvo estate. Bought used in May 2015 for £12k, it has cost around £300 a year in servicing, but is now worth around £5k, and likely to depreciate further. It also sounds like a bag of spanners in a tumble dryer when it starts up.

While I don't expect my man-toy to appreciate to fund my retirement anytime soon, it'll provide a lot of fun getting there.
 
  
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