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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lordjimimac wrote:
thanks Phil,
Only reason for proposing those was low price, and also the thought that if C4S is 20mm wider per side than standard 18mm would be ok.
I will most definitely go with your experienced view on it though, and big thanks once again for your help - awesome!



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James, as Max and others say the DSC pasm upgrade module is very good and I drive in Sport most of the time now. Thumb but they are 1k

the spacers question the 6mm has no spigot its your call and many happily fit 6/7mm shims with no issue but I am of the opinion that anything more than 5mm needs to have a centric spigot.but as I say many fit happily and get no wheel wobble . the rears why did you decide on 18mm instead of the widely agreed 15mm , I am running 17mm but have a different offset that required me to play with different spacers to get the stance right. the 18s may be ok and only you will know but you dont want them wider than the arch, lowering will pull the tops in a bit so if your lowering then you may get away with picking the correct size but I cant be 100% you will have to just try then and see . spacers sell easily on here lol I know as all the different sizes I brought trying to get mine right I sold on here Grin Grin
re your nuts Hand If your wife cant advise Grin then I would suggest buying 6mm and 18mm longer nuts or 5mm and 15mm longer if they dont sell them Thumb Thumb hope that helps , others may be able to give a bit more insight as to whether 18s on a WB will be ok. Thumb


James I get your logic mate on the wide body, but the widebody offsets on the alloys take up most of that so the wheels dont look tucked in . I am not saying 18s wouldnt fit without catching the arch lip , I just cant tell you for sure . whereas I know that 15s will fit under the lip as thats what most go for . might be worth asking the specific question on the forum make sure if you do you say what alloys you have as most are the same width but one Porsche alloy is 1/2" wider than the others cant off the top of my head remember which one , so it may be worth asking for opinions Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you referring to what I think you're referring to Phil, the optional Carrera Sports on the 997.2 wide body are 11.5" wide: I checked the numbers and added 12mm TPI spacers. I really didn't want the rims to poke out.

It was pretty flush before swapping rims and then adding negative camber. There are some rear end shots on my project thread (Mr White) for reference.

Now that I have added more negative camber and have reduced the ride height, my OZs are more tucked - which is a good thing as I don't want any rubbing either...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Max , I just couldnt remember which alloy it was that was 1/2" wider Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with being a stance queen is that everything makes a difference: the wheel width, wheel design, depth of the lip, the number and curvature (or otherwise) of the spokes, the wheel colour(s), the tyre size, width, sidewall, rim protector, shape of the shoulder, the tread, and the offset and/or spacers, as well as the ride height, the camber and the rake. It all conspires to make it awfullly hard to get it absolutely right. Not to mention the role of the bodykit, arches, and bumpers...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
The problem with being a stance queen is that everything makes a difference: the wheel width, wheel design, depth of the lip, the number and curvature (or otherwise) of the spokes, the wheel colour(s), the tyre size, width, sidewall, rim protector, shaoe of the shoulder, the tread, and the offset and/or spacers, as well as the ride height, the camber and the rake. It all conspires to make it awfullly hard to get it absolutely right. Not to mention the role of the bodykit, arches, and bumpers...


You are completely right mate , and I have found tyre sidewall profiles and size of rim protector do make a difference , which is why all you can give is a general view and why most go 7mm and 15mm , its helped by the fact the 997 seems to already have rolled rear arch lips , but lowering it and the top camber pulling in does mean you could go a little wider than 15mm unless of course you have the 1/2 " wider alloys lol Grin Grin I think this post may confuse James even more Floor Floor

think I tried 4 different sets of spacers until I was 100% happy with mine , then sold the ones I didnt need Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mention the original ride height as the car came from the factory, but mine needed a drop from the stock 'S with PASM ride height', whatever that was. In my view.

So, basically, as long as you drop it somewhat, and then space it, somewhat, it'll probably look OK. At least until such time as you change the tyres, or springs, or alignment, or something. I'm now 12mm all round (again), but dithering between 7mm and 12mm at the front, or 12mm and 15mm at the rear, as the rear now looks like it could use a bit more spacing ... decisions, decisions.

I do seem to have a car that's susceptible to front end wobble: one independent reckoned that the original rims were bent but they're not, and even with new rims, it really doesn't seem to like the fronts being spaced, even if the feel (in the corners) is better. Unless, of course, I've been unlucky and I've trashed both sets of front tyres. Which I might have.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the comments guys - invaluable!
I don’t want to get anywhere near a tyre touching anything and I’ll go with what’s been tried and tested 7 and 15 it is!
I’ll be getting it dropped And spaces in a couple of months and will post before and after pics when I do.




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MaxA wrote:
The problem with being a stance queen is that everything makes a difference: the wheel width, wheel design, depth of the lip, the number and curvature (or otherwise) of the spokes, the wheel colour(s), the tyre size, width, sidewall, rim protector, shaoe of the shoulder, the tread, and the offset and/or spacers, as well as the ride height, the camber and the rake. It all conspires to make it awfullly hard to get it absolutely right. Not to mention the role of the bodykit, arches, and bumpers...


You are completely right mate , and I have found tyre sidewall profiles and size of rim protector do make a difference , which is why all you can give is a general view and why most go 7mm and 15mm , its helped by the fact the 997 seems to already have rolled rear arch lips , but lowering it and the top camber pulling in does mean you could go a little wider than 15mm unless of course you have the 1/2 " wider alloys lol Grin Grin I think this post may confuse James even more Floor Floor

think I tried 4 different sets of spacers until I was 100% happy with mine , then sold the ones I didnt need Thumb

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the comments guys - invaluable!
I don’t want to get anywhere near a tyre touching anything and I’ll go with what’s been tried and tested 7 and 15 it is!
I’ll be getting it dropped And spaces in a couple of months and will post before and after pics when I do.




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MaxA wrote:
The problem with being a stance queen is that everything makes a difference: the wheel width, wheel design, depth of the lip, the number and curvature (or otherwise) of the spokes, the wheel colour(s), the tyre size, width, sidewall, rim protector, shaoe of the shoulder, the tread, and the offset and/or spacers, as well as the ride height, the camber and the rake. It all conspires to make it awfullly hard to get it absolutely right. Not to mention the role of the bodykit, arches, and bumpers...


You are completely right mate , and I have found tyre sidewall profiles and size of rim protector do make a difference , which is why all you can give is a general view and why most go 7mm and 15mm , its helped by the fact the 997 seems to already have rolled rear arch lips , but lowering it and the top camber pulling in does mean you could go a little wider than 15mm unless of course you have the 1/2 " wider alloys lol Grin Grin I think this post may confuse James even more Floor Floor

think I tried 4 different sets of spacers until I was 100% happy with mine , then sold the ones I didnt need Thumb

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lordjimimac wrote:
Thanks for all the comments guys - invaluable!
I don’t want to get anywhere near a tyre touching anything and I’ll go with what’s been tried and tested 7 and 15 it is!
I’ll be getting it dropped And spaces in a couple of months and will post before and after pics when I do.




Phil 997 wrote:
MaxA wrote:
The problem with being a stance queen is that everything makes a difference: the wheel width, wheel design, depth of the lip, the number and curvature (or otherwise) of the spokes, the wheel colour(s), the tyre size, width, sidewall, rim protector, shaoe of the shoulder, the tread, and the offset and/or spacers, as well as the ride height, the camber and the rake. It all conspires to make it awfullly hard to get it absolutely right. Not to mention the role of the bodykit, arches, and bumpers...


You are completely right mate , and I have found tyre sidewall profiles and size of rim protector do make a difference , which is why all you can give is a general view and why most go 7mm and 15mm , its helped by the fact the 997 seems to already have rolled rear arch lips , but lowering it and the top camber pulling in does mean you could go a little wider than 15mm unless of course you have the 1/2 " wider alloys lol Grin Grin I think this post may confuse James even more Floor Floor

think I tried 4 different sets of spacers until I was 100% happy with mine , then sold the ones I didnt need Thumb



Look forward to seeing pics when its done James Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully the pic will upload. 15mm rear and 6mm front (Atlas C4S)
 



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different angle. It’s running standard ride height.
 



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Different angle. It’s running standard ride height.


this is a nice angle shot shows the stance well Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brilliant!!!!!!!!
Thanks so much for sharing - I’ve been dithering and this rarer than rare atlas photo has made my mind up on the spacers. I’ve read too that spacers May negate the need for lowering and these pics support that idea
Mega thanks!
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Different angle. It’s running standard ride height.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correction to my previous post; the car is 13mm rear, 7mm front. Wheelspacers UK, system 2P anodised finish.
Thought you would appreciate the pics of my Atlas C4S. 👍🏼
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more for good luck
 



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great Thread James Thumb

Love seeing peoples versions of personalising their cars and their different approaches.

Look forward to reading more Pop Corn
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, did you get a 4 wheel alignment after the spacers? Is that a must-do after this mod?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lordjimimac wrote:
Out of interest, did you get a 4 wheel alignment after the spacers? Is that a must-do after this mod?
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I didnt James its not needed , but theres never a bad time to have a full geo done to improve the drivability Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff thanks Phil Thumb[/quote] thumbsup
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Out of interest, did you get a 4 wheel alignment after the spacers? Is that a must-do after this mod?
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I didnt James its not needed , but theres never a bad time to have a full geo done to improve the drivability Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great post Thumb

Loved my 4s. I added most of the mods mentioned here. Didn’t go as far as Phil... but few do Floor

RSS engine mounts were my favourite I think , adds a little bit of rawness (NVH) but not too much. My oem mounts were shot anyway.

CAI and BMC coupled with PSE was more than enough for me , didn’t go for 200cell cats.

I have the DSC on my current car, and it’s a “night & day” difference.
Yes they are £1000 ish , plus you need an extra sensor for a gen1...
However , using a bit of man maths ...you will recoup at least half that back when you come to sell the car in future . (It would look as good as new, as it clips in under carpet in passenger footwell)
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