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997 Gen2 Cab vs DB9 Volante - Now my DB9 Diary.

Les

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How to compare the two? One is a sports car – Possibly the greatest sports car ever made, the other is the most elegant grand tourer on the planet. It's a bit Apples to Oranges but here goes:


Let's start with the performance. Now 'on paper' the Aston trumps the 911 due to the bigger engine. It has a faster 0-60 and can go to the other side of 190mph, but in the real world the 911 will, and does, run rings around the DB9.

The DB9 has masses of torque and depending on the year, between 450-500+ bhp under your right foot but suffers from having relatively small 275 rear tyres. You simply can't put the power down. Once you are moving it can turn into Usain Bolt when you floor it, but by then you are playing catch-up to the 911 that's already long gone.
The smaller tyres and softer suspension mean you can't throw it into a bend like a 911 either, and when you're in that bend the feel that the driver gets from the 911 is also not quite there in the Aston.
Don't get me wrong, the DB9 is a VERY quick car and feels superb to drive, but it can't compete against the best sports car ever designed. Game over you say.....Not quite.

There is more to life than racing around a county lane hoping that you won't wreck your car from a massive pothole or get banned from driving and serve a few months at her majesty pleasure. When it comes to real-world driving which the average 911 does 90% of the time, the DB9 is king.

Having effortless power throughout the entire rev range, whilst being comforted in a cabin that makes the Ritz look like Butlins on a bad day is a very pleasurable experience indeed.

Comfort.
When it comes to comfort, the difference between them is a country mile.
Yes, they both have leather seats etc, but the Aston's hand-stitched leather is as soft as a baby's bum that's been soaking in a tub of Nivea for a month. Everything you see and touch feels special (ok there are some Ford bits in there, but Porsche use Audi parts as well – that's just how things are built in today's world).... except for the Satnav. The way it rotates to display the screen is fantastic, but once the low-resolution screen finishes displaying the Aston logo you are left with a crappy old Volvo unit. It works as good as a Gen1 PCM works, but let's face it, they are both crap. The only positive is that map updates are Volvo prices - £24. Whereas the latest update to my Gen2 997 cost £230.

Reliability
When it comes to reliability... The 04-06 DB9's had electrical issues with sensors playing up and have tarnished the reputation just as the IMS and borescore issues have damaged the 996 & 997.

In 2006 Ford splashed the cash and resolved most of the issues around the car and Aston created a new semi facelift version produced from 2007. Externally it's the same, but you can tell the difference by the seats. If it has an opening section in the seat between the seatback and the headrest, then it's the more modern car with better electrics, a revised engine, new suspension (with Bilstein shocks), lower ride height etc.

I've not had any issues with the DB9 – yet, but I have done my homework, talking to lots of real owners (not the 'my mate had one and it blew up every week. He was so disappointed that he gave it away for free and brought 10 x Bugatti Chiron's for cash from a geezer up the road - type of people). It seems that mechanically the Aston is in front, The V12 is a lot more bulletproof than even a Gen2 997 with one owner reporting over 217K miles with no issues - but it might turn out that he has a mate with 10 Bugatti's.

After 2007 Things got better but it's still not all plain sailing and the most common issues are electrical - mainly sensors etc.
As an Aston & Porsche owner, I now have my local Aston dealerships parts department on speed dial for the electrics and Hartech for the Porsche engine re-build. Re-building a Porsche engine is a lovely experience (not!) of which I have done 5 times in 8 cars.

Practicality
On a practical comparison, the 911 comes out on top. The roof can be operated up to 40mph in a 997.2, and although the Aston can do it at low speeds its recommended to be stationary then operation the cabriolet roof.

The Aston boot - on the Volante (cabriolet) at least – is smaller than the 911. The 911's glovebox is bigger, the cup holders are better, the door pockets are bigger, and there's no armrest compartment in the DB9 either.
The 911 is smaller and easier to park, and the cabriolets rear window gives you more visibility than the Astons letterbox.

You can even put kids (or a complaining adult – preferably a jockey) in the back of a 911. To do this in the DB9 you have to move the seats forward so far you think you are about to do a squat thrust and the poor sod in the rear has to have their feet squashed together, and their knees spread as wide as they can go. Do not ask a young girl in a skirt to get in the back of a DB9 or you will end up on a list.

When it comes to creature comforts however the Aston is king. Front and rear parking sensors, cruise control, dual 3 position memory seats with 2 independent lumber adjustments with two-stage heating, auto-dimming mirrors, Bluetooth, euro sat-nav, heated front and rear screens, switchable sports mode with PSE, adaptive headlights with wash and a high-end Linn 230w with Limbik 5.1 surround stereo come as standard on the car. The options list is basically the colour. The Swan doors not only look cool but stop the doors grounding out when parked near a kerb on a road with a steep camber.

The sound
Even with a crossover pipe and gundo'd boxes, the horrible sound of the 997.2's DFI engine (like a spanner in a tumble dryer in with a room full of sewing machines) is still there. Whereas The Aston's v12 makes an amazing noise. Remove fuse 22 (from the Aston version of PSE and you get the sound all day long.

Economy
I drove 1,500 miles in the Aston taking it to Monza to watch the GP, most of it was on a motorway with the aircon on and cruise control set to 70mph and I averaged 26.2mpg overall – including a traffic jam. Now I think for a car that weighs 1.5tons and has a 6.0L v12, 26.2mpg of Asda's budget 95ron petrol is not bad at all compared the lightweight 911's 34mpg of 98ron Shell VPower.

Both cars like a drink and I'm sure with those numbers I'm not going to convert a Tesla owner, but on the other hand, I don't think the green party will be setting up a blockade on my drive either.

Other peoples perceptions
THE BIG difference between owning them is other people reactions. In the 911, I find that people don't let you out of junctions, they get up your arse on the motorway and every young lad in a 'remapped' Corsa with his mum's waste paper bin strapped to the end of his exhaust will try to race you.

Basically the average person thinks Porsche owners are either absolute dicks or an accountants having mid life crises. On the other hand, everyone thinks Aston owners are rich old men who wear salmon coloured chinos.

Joe public loves an Aston.
In the Aston everyone lets you out, everyone is courteous, people approach you in the petrol station (I tend to go there a lot) and ask questions about the car, kids shout 'nice car' and women (mostly between 25-45) will give you a little wave, a wink and a nod from the pavement (which doesn't impress my wife sat next to me). You get people taking photos of the car all the time and every now and then you notice that someone in the car next to you on the motorway is videoing you which can be quite embarrassing when you're picking your nose. I even find that friends and relatives who I have not spoken to for years are now inviting me over for dinner. It's very strange. You do get bored with people shouting 'James Bond' though.


To sum it all up
I was hoping to write a comparison between the 911 and a DB9 and find out which one is best but in a way, I don't think that is possible. They are two different cars made for two different purposes and both of them in my option are undoubtedly the best in their respective class.

911's are best compared to BMW M4s, and Astons should be compared to a Bentley GT or Ferrari GTC4s.

If you want a car that's practical, that can be used every day doing the school run and the shopping, then at the weekend it be taken out to hit the twisties, then there is no better driving machine than the Porsche 911.

But, If you want more than just 'another Carrera', If you want a car that will seriously impress everyone, a car that makes YOU feel as cool as James Bond in an Ice bath and can make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up and at the same time can cover the distance in a way that makes you and your passenger feel very special indeed, then it's got to be an Aston Martin.

When you turn it on the dash says 'Power, Beauty, Soul'... I think that and Clarkson below sums up the Aston.





Basically, you need to have both. Use the 911 as a daily and for shopping trips and save the Aston for those special occasions you want to remember, like the time I took my wife to the Ivy for her Birthday...

I paid the bill and said "I left my car with your valet.." and before I could say what it was or give him the registration number he looked me in the eye and said "your Aston Martin is ready for you sir".
We walked out the door and directly in front of us was the valet, standing there holding the Aston's door open in front of a queue waiting to go in (who were all staring at us - and one was even taking a video).
As the engine fired up with its V12 roar and we pulled off along the road with the person still recording us, we felt like some sort of celebrity couple and laughed about it all the way home.

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Excellent write-up Les. Looking forward to the follow up in 2 months when the engines blown up, all bar one sensor has failed and you've spent £1000 on fitting some new pads :grin:
 
Thats a very good summery Les, It almost makes me want to try another DB9 mine was an early one so maybe the later ones are not so troublesome as you point out. your right about peoples perseption and the comment about women 25 to 40 is spot on mmmm dam just think I talked myself into getting another one :grin: :grin: . As you said the 911 is a more fun car to drive but as a cruiser its hard to beat the look of a DB9 . Looking at the current prices now they have done a lot of the depreciation they do make an interesting option. but the rear legroom for such a big car is terrible :thumb: :thumb:
 
Phil 997 said:
the comment about women 25 to 40 is spot on mmmm

I'm short fat and bald but in the DB9 I'm up there with George Clooney.
 
alex yates said:
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Excellent write-up Les. Looking forward to the follow up in 2 months when the engines blown up, all bar one sensor has failed and you've spent £1000 on fitting some new pads :grin:

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Les said:
Phil 997 said:
the comment about women 25 to 40 is spot on mmmm

I'm short fat and bald but in the DB9 I'm up there with George Clooney.

But Les did you know that fat is the new thin we call it PHAT :floor: :floor: :floor:
 
Les said:
alex yates said:
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Excellent write-up Les. Looking forward to the follow up in 2 months when the engines blown up, all bar one sensor has failed and you've spent £1000 on fitting some new pads :grin:

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Alex , I think I mentioned the £1480 from AML and £900 from an indy for a set of pads for my DB9 that was a shock especially as the buggers keep squeeking on a DB9 :nooo:
 
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Alex , I think I mentioned the £1480 from AML and £900 from an indy for a set of pads for my DB9 that was a shock especially as the buggers keep squeeking on a DB9 :nooo:[/quote]

£1400 for a set of pads, now that is taking the biscuit :eek:

I did look at buying a Vantage in a few years, had a look on their website for service costs and for a fixed price oil change it was in excess of £900, that made my mind up for me.

Fab write up and enjoy your car :D
 
Phil 997 said:
Alex , I think I mentioned the £1480 from AML and £900 from an indy for a set of pads for my DB9 that was a shock especially as the buggers keep squeeking on a DB9 :nooo:

I think they were trying it on.
Most DB9 consumables are cheaper than a 997.

Cheap front pads for a DB9 are £10.38. Brembo = £140.
Brembo discs are £150 a pair............ and there's 19% off at the moment.

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts...ston-martin/db9/db9-convertible/34743-6-0-v12

If you ever need parts give me a call lol.

BTW, service is £700 that includes going over everything including taking the inlet manifold off and cleaning it etc.
 
Les said:
Phil 997 said:
Alex , I think I mentioned the £1480 from AML and £900 from an indy for a set of pads for my DB9 that was a shock especially as the buggers keep squeeking on a DB9 :nooo:

I think they were trying it on.
Most DB9 consumables are cheaper than a 997.

Cheap front pads for a DB9 are £10.38. Brembo = £140.
Brembo discs are £150 a pair............ and there's 19% off at the moment.

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts...ston-martin/db9/db9-convertible/34743-6-0-v12

If you ever need parts give me a call lol.

BTW, service is £700 that includes going over everything including taking the inlet manifold off and cleaning it etc.

I thought the prices might have ccome down a bit, bearing in mind the DB9 had only been around 18 months when I had mine and thats why no one would touch it other than the main dealer. there will be a lot more available now for them :thumb: :thumb: as swampy says the main dealers will still be robbers but arent they all but many more indies and aftermarket parts around now similar to the 997 heres a pic of mine :thumb:
 

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Is that fern or Chiltern green (I'm still learning).

Heres mine:

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Its called California Sage Les , mine also had a two tone light green interior , me being me I did put Khan 20" alloys on it that curved out made for interesting parking but it did look aggressive lol. but dont have a pic of it with them on. :thumb:
 

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Ah found a library pic of the Khan alloys I had on it . :thumb:
 

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Great review and an interesting read.

Do you think a V8 Vantage is a fairer comparison to a 911? When I am due an upgrade, that is what I will consider if I am feeling brave.
 
Phil 997 said:
Its called California Sage Les , mine also had a two tone light green interior , me being me I did put Khan 20" alloys on it that curved out made for interesting parking but it did look aggressive lol. but dont have a pic of it with them on. :thumb:

Looked very nice. Mine is Meteorite Silver with Phantom Grey upper & Cream Truffle lower trim with Phantom Grey stitching.

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