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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: High mileage 997 Reply with quote

Guys after selling my 996 c4s iv been looking at 997. Not in a mega rush but one popped up. Guy lives 3 doors down from me and his selling his carrera 2s 3.8 gen 1 with gen 2 led upgrades front and rear.
His had it jut under 3 years manual 6 speed done 120k. Very good history from Porsche main dealer and indy specialist.
Lst year he done clutch, dual mass, water pump l, service, aux belt and coolnt chnge. Hs 4 Michelin pilots nd good brakes. Dark grey with black leather. Front chin and rear gt3 spoiler. All seals were inspected and confirmed good. 2 keys nd new mot.

Its cheap compared to others models sold on auto trader.

Do i go ahead with it?

Any high milers out there
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for it. High miler has its good points. Like if it was going to crap itself it would have done it by now. Thumb

With a good maintenance schedule it's probably good for another 120k...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He has looked after it and maintaned it well. Serviced it every year.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PPI a must. Decide after you've read the report
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price should be under £20k I think.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is way under 20k. Il go through the paper work and book a inspection
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree on the PPI, a must on these cars. Now this may just be me, but I'd be thinking to myself "if it goes wrong - worst case new engine - will I be comfortable with the previous owner living so close?"
It's a bit like buying or selling to a friend.........they say you should never mix social with business. Only you know the situation, but it's just a thought that occurred to me, that's all.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This does not have any bearing on the sale, but just a little story.

When I was looking to buy a 997, I happened to be looking at a car which another member on here had an interest in. He had paid for a PPI and kindly offered to send me the report as he no longer was interested.

This was the 4th car he had PPI'd and had spent close to £1800.

I kinda felt sorry for him. Seemed like a genuinely nice chap.

Regards

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be saying to myself get a ppi and borescope and if its an early one check the vin see if its pre the IMS upgrade if so then you know that might be an issue but generally speaking if its at 120k its best to leave it alone as its done its job so far without issue , if its a newer IMS model then thats not an issue to worry about. So that leaves you assuming the PPI borechecks good then you have a car that your getting for well under 20k so I assume we are talking 16/18k so you buy it with the knowledge that at present its good and in the future it might need a rebuild at 10k which means your into 26/28k for the car . the good news is that Hartech rebuild gen1 C2S are currently selling for a premium and are in the high 20Ks So your not really in theory going to lose out on the car but what you need to know is , if it goes pop and gets a rebuild have I got the extra 10k needed that I can invest in the car to not get back until I sell the car. If the answer is yes then go get yourself a 997.1 and get back to big grin 911 driving. Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
Agree on the PPI, a must on these cars. Now this may just be me, but I'd be thinking to myself "if it goes wrong - worst case new engine - will I be comfortable with the previous owner living so close?"
It's a bit like buying or selling to a friend.........they say you should never mix social with business. Only you know the situation, but it's just a thought that occurred to me, that's all.


But if it's 'way' under 20k a Hartech rebuild wouldn't be too catastrophic financially. If OP plans on keeping it long term a rebuild might be the way to go.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd bite his arm off Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genuine question: you guys saying "if it goes pop just get a rebuild for £10k" - how simple is that to actually arrange? I mean, do you just put the car on a low loader to Bolton, Hartech work their magic, and it comes back a week later? Or is there a lot more hassle than that? What if the engine grenades in lane 3 of a busy motorway, or on holiday etc.? What do you drive in the meantime, whilst it's being fixed? How do you raise the £10k or do the likes of Hartech offer finance?

I'm not questioning your logic, I get it that if you only pay £16k in the first place then a £10k rebuild isn't a disaster. Who on here has actually had their car's engine rebuilt following failure? How was it for you? Like I said, genuinely curious.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well im not buying it to have the thought in the back of my head when the engine goes rebuild it. Everyone said the same to me when i bought my 996 but i bought it to drive and enjoy it didnt buy it to worry when the engine goes bang.

If servicing was done yearly and used good fluids warmed up properly why go bang irrelevant what mileage it shows on the clock
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would buy it mate. If it has been relatively looked after there shouldn’t be an issue. Make sure you drive it every day.. a 997 for a daily is amazing Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 996 4s was a daily and so will this 997. I dnt like my cars to be garage queens i like to enjoy them. People keep going on about how catastrophic these engines are but no one commenct how great a 911 flat 6 engine drives and feels

Obvioisly i wont be buying a abused example.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like a good buy Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was selling a car with even a small problem I wouldn’t sell it to a neighbor! So that’s a good sign. You have owned a 996 so you know what it’s all about! I’m in the camp of if it looks right and the paperwork backs up, buy it!

Great colour too Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
Genuine question: you guys saying "if it goes pop just get a rebuild for £10k" - how simple is that to actually arrange? I mean, do you just put the car on a low loader to Bolton, Hartech work their magic, and it comes back a week later? Or is there a lot more hassle than that? What if the engine grenades in lane 3 of a busy motorway, or on holiday etc.? What do you drive in the meantime, whilst it's being fixed? How do you raise the £10k or do the likes of Hartech offer finance?

I'm not questioning your logic, I get it that if you only pay £16k in the first place then a £10k rebuild isn't a disaster. Who on here has actually had their car's engine rebuilt following failure? How was it for you? Like I said, genuinely curious.


Mate, in answer to your question but answered for OP as it was about his car and whats hes paying for it. it was just the man maths logic , theres nothing to say it will go bang in the next 100k miles its just your in the fortunate position that if your unlucky your not going to lose a shed load, yes I think hartech offer finance , yes it goes on a low loader to them , a rebuild is 40 hours but they may have a few infront of you that depends on times etc they seem to be able to rebuild something like 5 or7 per week its a bit of a production line process in ther place. what do you drive while your waiting entrprise is your friend there lol.
The man maths works for you should the worst happen , in my case it doesnt my car was 48k its currently worth about 40/42k and I today sent an oil sample to Hartech and pics of the borescope done today as I am in the middle of finding out if my bullet proof gen2 needs a rebuild as its not running right. am I worried no, am I losing sleep no, am I pissed off that after 4.5 years of gen1 ownership and no issues my highly regarded twice the price gen2 has broken YES especially as I have already spent 8k on it since xmas on gearbox rebuild , new clutch , flywheel, coroded coolant pipes. but my man maths calculator still says over the 5 yrs I will keep this like my last one its still only 3.5/4k pa ave and I use it daily 12k pa, if my hobby was golf the membership fees and green fees for a couple or three rounds per week would be over 3k pa . provided you always consider worst case scenario and can you live with it and justify it, then a 911 is for you. The guys that struggle are the ones that can just afford to get into a 911 by the skin of their teeth and havent considered the running costs and how they are going to deal with the possibility of maybe getting a big bill not all by any stretch will but you need to have considered it. Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im really considering it. I would speak with him more tomorrw and take it from there
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good reply Phil, can't argue with any of that my friend.
Hope you get your running issues resolved and at minimal cost if possible.
I suppose if any of us are truly risk averse we'd just buy a Hyundai or something and our drive would be dull, dull, dull.
No pain no gain, or something, but I hope your Gen 2 pain is small.
Cheers, Mike.
 
  
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