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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: How cheep does a 911 have to be? Reply with quote

Some of you know I'm selling my current 911 gen2 PDK cabriolet - a lovely car with nothing wrong with it (as some of you on here have seen it can back me up). I'm only selling it as I'm coming into some inheritance and I'm splashing some cash on a new car.

Anyway:
I checked the normal pricing sites like Cazana etc and they said its worth £34K. So... I'm thinking.... with the few grands worths of extras I've put on it I'd have no problems selling it if I put it up for £32K...... One week later and not one call.

So in a bid to sell it (the dealer holding my next car won't hold it forever), I've dropped it to £29,995 - The cheapest PDK Cab on AutoTrader and five grand less than the next car.

Guess what... Not a single phone call ???? WTF - its dam new 'we-steal-anycar' money.

Have I worded my add wrong or something or are 911's not selling at the moment?

Any advice on the wording etc, much appreciated.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201807128377846?make=PORSCHE&model=911

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlucky Les.

I fear that you're simply experiencing Joe Public's concern about buying such a car privately and/or their concern about the 82k miles showing.

Good Luck
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be honest I think you had it over priced. Mileage has a huge impact on any car and particularly 911's. without the security of a dealer some still won't go there even at under 30. But I suspect you will sell at that, although despite what many will say the market Is dead.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The link doesnt work for me

Seems very cheap to me. Have webuy any car or similar given you a price?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
I'll be honest I think you had it over priced. Mileage has a huge impact on any car and particularly 911's. without the security of a dealer some still won't go there even at under 30. But I suspect you will sell at that, although despite what many will say the market Is dead.


My last Gen2 had more mileage on it when I brought it. I sold it on when it had 105K
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although suffice to say, that's a cracking car for the money! Must be someone on here looking? Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the bit about you killing every 911 that you have ever owned won’t be doing you many favours with an ad on here Mr. Green
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If we were 6 months or so down, the road, I'd be wanting to have a good look over it. It's for Mrs P and given that's it's got 80k on the clock, we'd happily use it for her daily and holidays. My only concern would be the pdkand replacement cost of one should it go pop. Otherwise it's a lovely car and should be sold already
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the bit about you killing every 911 that you have ever owned won’t be doing you many favours with an ad on here Mr. Green


That was mainly the air cooled stuff all apparently 'known issues'. I know they are now worth a bomb and people with beards and sandals love them, but not for me.

Gen2's seem to be pretty much bulletproof. I haven't had to do a thing on my last 2, not even a light bulb. I've just done a standard 5K oil change, and never rev them until the oil is up to temp etc. They have been great.

I'll probably sell my Aston, and will be looking for a Gen2 Turbo next year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les, I cant see anything wrong with the ad mate , staggered you have had no calls at under 30k for a gen2 , even the mileage at 82k is only an ave of 8200 miles PA, not sure why we are so scared of mileage in this country its only us brits that seem almost paranoid about it. the ave for a 911 would be 70k so its not even very much over that and no where near the 12k pa ave for most UK cars.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If we were 6 months or so down, the road, I'd be wanting to have a good look over it. It's for Mrs P and given that's it's got 80k on the clock, we'd happily use it for her daily and holidays. My only concern would be the pdkand replacement cost of one should it go pop. Otherwise, it's a lovely car and should be sold already



Pity it's not now, The garage I brought it from would extend the 5 star Warranty for another 12 months for £795+vat and I'd pay half of it if the mileage was a worry for some.

After having 8 Porsche's I know its the low mileage ones you need to worry about. All my issues in the past were low mileage cars - which is why I won't buy one now. I'd rather have one I can drive over one that makes you worry about resale value everytime you start it. Also, the cash I saved is put aside just in case. Man Maths at its best.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
Les, I cant see anything wrong with the ad mate , staggered you have had no calls at under 30k for a gen2 , even the mileage at 82k is only an ave of 8200 miles PA, not sure why we are so scared of mileage in this country its only us brits that seem almost paranoid about it. the ave for a 911 would be 70k so its not even very much over that and no where near the 12k pa ave for most UK cars.



Its the same with lots of high spec cars, people pay way over the odds to get a low mileage example, then don't use it because it would affect the price.
Its silly when we all know a Porsche engine that's not used very often is a ticking time bomb.

Works in my favour though. I get a higher mileage car much cheaper, get to have lots of fun driving it every day without worry (even a ford fiesta is built to last a couple of hundred thousand nowadays) then sell it for a small drop in the price. worked up to now. This car though is different though. not had an issue selling one before.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing wrong with your advert, it's just difficult to sell a private car right now or in general.

Most people will want finance or a warranty.

It's a cracking car and it will sell, you just need to be patient.

It took me almost 2 months to sell my Audi TT for £7k.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:


........... the ave for a 911 would be 70k so its not even very much over that and no where near the 12k pa ave for most UK cars.



Phil. If you're basing that on the research I posted originally in 2015 and updated in 2017 please be aware that I also stated that as cars get older the average per year decreases. I very much doubt that the average mileage for a 11 year old 997 is anything like as high as 70k. Therefore 82k is, sadly, well above average.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car sales are slow at the moment. And sports car sales are very slow with very little moving (there are of course exceptions, but in the main sales are slow).

I'd say you have it at a very keen price but one week with no calls is no time at all, so try not to be disheartened. Holiday season, kids just finishing school and a current heatwave (although that could help with a cab) are all slowing things down.

Re the ad, for my tuppence, although it may make no difference, I'd state the Full Porsche History earlier in the write up (although "FSH" is stated in the strapline it's worth reiterating early on in the text). And while the crossover pipes and Gundo exhaust mod is recognised among us "connoisseurs" on here, it may just shout "modified" to the wider, Autotrader browsing public, so if it were me I'd delete that and discuss further once someone is already falling in love with the car on your driveway.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Therefore 82k is, sadly, well above average.


Not if I own it lol.
I went to Rome and back in this Cab. Monaco, Stuttgart etc in my old Coupe.
I own a sports car, not a garage queen Wink

They weren't designed to be left in a garage.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Therefore 82k is, sadly, well above average.


Not if I own it lol.

I went to Rome and back in this Cab. Monaco, Stuttgart etc in my old Coupe.

I own a sports car, not a garage queen Wink

They weren't designed to be left in a garage.



I agree with your sentiments Les but it's a stone cold fact that we are in the minority.

I've just spent the last half hour perusing the PH classifieds and am certain that your failure to sell is down to the mileage. There's 98 x 997 Cabriolets currently for sale and the average mileage per year across those 98 cars is under 5k per annum. Only 3 of any age (including 2005-06 cars) have more than 80k miles on them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless I'm mistaken that is the bargain of the summer, Les. Surely thats a giveaway price?

If you're splashing the cash then would you not get a similar amount for it when trading it in? You may also get a bit better deal on the new motor.

The other thing is, where's the Rolex? Every time I've seen a pic of your GMT it's been in the car - I thought the watch came with it? Maybe you'll have more interest if you sell them as a set? Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Unless I'm mistaken that is the bargain of the summer, Les. Surely that's a giveaway price?

If you're splashing the cash then would you not get a similar amount for it when trading it in? You may also get a bit better deal on the new motor.

The other thing is, where's the Rolex? Every time I've seen a pic of your GMT it's been in the car - I thought the watch came with it? Maybe you'll have more interest if you sell them as a set? Dont know


It is a giveaway price. It may have 82K on the clock but its cheap for a 82K Gen2 PDK. 3 weeks ago there was a gen2 without extras and 95K on the clock for the same money that sold in a week.

I put a deposit on my new car thinking the house sale (where I'm getting my inheritance from) would not take too long as its being sold to a family member and there is no chain. 12 weeks later.... bloody lawyers.

The Aston centre would not do a PX as they only sell Astons- bit snobby lol.

If the house sale comes through before I sell the 911 (should be in the next two weeks), I'll pick up my new car, and put the 911 back up to 33K as I won't be in a rush.

I'll chuck the GMT in as a deal for £39K Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that private sales are very slow at present. I'm trying to sell my 2011 Range Rover for £20k. No calls, no emails, nothing. It's an absolutely mint car with everything done, full service history and is in immaculate condition, and there isn't a cheaper one of its age on AutoTrader.
I'll just have to be patient I suppose.
 
  
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