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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:34 pm    Post subject: Moist hose - coolant Reply with quote

Hi all. First post here as I'm new to 911 ownership so hello bye

The moist hose, well two hoses really is in the NS wheel arch, you can just see them with the wheels on full lock. This, I believe is slowly loosing coolant (300ml in 400 miles)

Where would you buy new ones?
I see OPC is mentioned a lot for parts, is there a way to find your part online and see their prices? Or do you find the part number elsewhere then phone them and await your surprise?

I've been looking on deroure.com and believe it could be PN 99710675104

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Any other words of wisdom on coolant pipes would be greatly appreciated.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had mine done a few months ago, are you planning to do the job yourself . worth checking the other joints as I found a number were corroded and showing signs of misting so took the decision to replace all that were misting or just starting to show some corrotion signs , which although more money will save in the long run if your planning to keep it for a few years , cheaper if doing it yourself as the parts arent silly money but the labour time is what pushes the bill up. the part your looking at for instance is about £120ish .
Welcome to the forum by the way lol you know your going to get stick for not posting a pic of your car first Grin Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know you had to post a picture before posting Dont know

Other hoses have signs of corrosion, but I don't think leaking at the moment. Porsche do seem to have an issue with rusty hoses don't they.

Considering a DIY job yeah as I don't mind tinkering
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGD
Welcome to the forum, but as Phil has stated, best post a pic up of your car ASAP before you get set on fire and flogged. I've see it happen you know Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A picture in this thread? Here you go..

I'm a photographer though so don't like posting **** photos like this! I'll get nice photos at some point don't worry.
 



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice.....Let normal service resume Judge
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGD , nice one mate and good to see your up for a bit of banter . I think the car looks lovely even if its not set how you would like lol.
yes condenser and aircon are a pain , if others are looking a bit iffy I would suggest doing them at the same time (best to only loose knuckle skin once )lol. when its done before you replace the undertrays give everything that doesnt get hot eg brakes etc. a really good coat of ACF50 and plan that into your annual maintanance it will prolong the life many of those parts including the Tandem pump cover. its a bit like a 21st century version of waxoyle Thumb Thumb

http://www.acf-50.co.uk/motorcycle.htm


https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/ACF50/179753/bn_55194932
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh thanks for the link, I've never heard of the stuff but I have ordered some and will be covering Everything!

I suspect the AC condenser has bit the dust too, so I've plenty to do Embarassed
I cleaned them out from the front when I got the car and got almost half a bucket of crap out. Probably more to come once the bumper comes off.

I do have a decent list of seemingly small things to do, which are all adding up ££ wise.

But the main point is the coolant hoses, and where to buy them from.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGD wrote:
Oh thanks for the link, I've never heard of the stuff but I have ordered some and will be covering Everything!

I suspect the AC condenser has bit the dust too, so I've plenty to do Embarassed
I cleaned them out from the front when I got the car and got almost half a bucket of crap out. Probably more to come once the bumper comes off.

I do have a decent list of seemingly small things to do, which are all adding up ££ wise.

But the main point is the coolant hoses, and where to buy them from.


Good to hear you got some ACF50

First place to try for the hoses would be the OPC and tell them your a porsche club member and they should give you 10% discount .

Design 911 will give you 5% discount as a forum member vat to add to their on line prices

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod138377/Distributor-Return-Line-Porsche-987-Boxster---987C-Cayman---997/

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod133987/Porsche-987-997-Coolant-
Return-Hose-99710662403/

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod13148/Connector-sleeve-Porsche-987-Boxster---Cayman---997/

theres a few of the bits the rest are listed on their site .

or theres good old fleabay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Cooling-Water-Pipe-Porsche-Cayman-987-911-997-99710675104/1515623909

Rose passion also

https://www.rosepassion.com/en/cat/porsche-997-05-08-2008-997-c4-targa-manual-gearbox-6-speed/M704/engine-and-fuel-feed/B36/schemas/feed-and-return-water-hose-for-front-radiator/I4321/distributor-tube-inlet/P132356


hope some of that info is useful mate

also while you have the trays etc off pull the arch liners off and get the debris out hidden out of site behind the plastic liners bet you get another bucket of leaves and bits lol

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had my coolant hose fail on new years day. My Indy sorted it just a couple of days later with new hoses which are not expensive and not hard. Have you located a good indy yet? They are essential and sure we can point you towards one! Whereabouts are you?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The coolant pipes are probably the cross over pipes , the outer connection can corrode badly so its not just the rubber pipe that needs changeing .

Worst case and its drop the front subframe and replace all the pipes .

Need some picts to confirm but images below is what can happen .

EDIT .. your part number is just the inner plastic pipe .. thats a subframe drop to replace but you will at least need the outer rubber pipe that goes into it , probably the bracket as well .. the 10 mm bolt sheers off .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGD wrote:
A picture in this thread? Here you go..

I'm a photographer though so don't like posting **** photos like this! I'll get nice photos at some point don't worry.


That pics excellent by our normal standards. thumbsup

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These posts are great, big help - thanks for that!

As I look at it with all the covers on. It’s the two rubber hoses in the last picture which are moist. Is it most likely that both parts need replacing here and not just the rubber pipes I can see? Which means dropping the subframe, that sounds like a big job.

It seems a strange way to join the hoses, where the rubber pipe looks to go inside the ally or metal pipe Dont know
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rubber pipes have a metal section with an O ring seal that enters x1 ally pipe and x1 plastic pipe.

These corrode and leak .. ill not say how many ive replaced but more than 1 !!!

For the plastic pipe then its just about possible to replace the rubber pipe on its own .. you have to be carefull .. you have to dig it out with a small screwdriver and if lucky then can replace it on its own ... DONT bend the plastic pipe too much .. work your way around it .

No chance if its the ally pipe though .

Either way be prepaired to drop the subframe and replace them all .

Its actually not that hard to drop the frame .. you just hang it on the coffin arms .

i can say that at an indy then all the pipes replaced is about £1200 so diy will save you a fortune !
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain's pic is exactily where mine went and the cost very similar to what he said a huge amount is the labour to drop the sub so if you can do it yourself it will be less than half the price just for the parts from memory. Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I just noticed this replacement kit - is that all I need?

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod138378/Radiator-pipes-replacement-kit-Porsche-997-Gen-2/

Is the part that need the subframe dropping Number 2?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is the whole kit mate , Iain is the best person to tell you which parts require the sub dropping as he's a porsche tech Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuff me i didnt know there was a kit .. our poor parts guy has to order every part individually !

Youll probably need the brackets and bolts so 7 and 11 and the same for the opposite side.

The bolts sieze in the subframe and snap off , its a hammer and punch time to get it all out .

For me i use something called Porsche White Grease , i smear some on all the rubber seals on the pipes .. 2 reasons .. a bit of lub helps it fit and it also helps seal it .
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You cant change them parts with out dropping the subframe so not just number 2.

Undo the rack bolts , undo the frame bolts and let it hang on the coffin arms .. youll have to tilt it a bit .. on a ramp and its not a hard job but not an easy one .. competent diy i would rate it as .

I will say that plenty of waxoil or ..AC50 ? its mentioned on the forums but i dont know it .. well plenty of either over all the metal parts .. you get a good coating and your set for 10 years plus without any leaks .


EDIT .. just to say take a picture of the pipes with the frame dropped and once you remove them ..

You assemble them on the floor all together and fit as one unit .. its supriseing how quick you can forget how to assemble them after you have just taken them appart !!

White lines line up btw Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic advice, this is great. Thanks guys

I’m thinking of going for the full kit, as the other side doesn’t look far off breaking.

Now, while the front is off do I drop some new AC rads in as the air con doesn’t work either. Though I haven’t pinpointed the fault to be the rads, it just seems pretty likely.

Also, I want to add some Grills to protect from further debris. But I was thinking of adding mesh behind the cutouts, as opposed to those grills which fit into them. I think I have some mesh in the garage which would be perfect for the job. Not quite sure how I’ll attach it yet mind!
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