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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject: 997 prices Reply with quote

I joined this forum a few years back when I was considering buying a 997.

I found out about the ims and bore scoring issues and it put me off.

I’ve recently started looking again as I plan to buy a car when my lease goes back in October.

Early car prices seem to have increased by around £4-5k since I last looked, but gen 2 pdk prices have come down massively. To the point where I’m not sure why anyone would pay £25k for a gen 1?

I’m a correct in assuming that the gen 2 engine is not prone to bore scoring and is generally reliable?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prices of all 997s have gone up in the last couple of years and I don't think you'll find much choice of Gen2 cars under £28k so anyone with a budget less than that hasn't got much choice.

One or two issues have been reported with Gen2 engines but by and large you're correct in assuming that the later cars are generally reliable.

For similar money I'd go for a Gen2 3.6 over a Gen1 'S'.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct, The gen2 engine has 40% fewer parts, no IMS and is made from a much more bore scoring resilient alloy called Alusil. Basically its pretty much bulletproof especially the 3.6

What type of car are you looking for? I've got a PDK Cabriolet for £31,995 if you're interested.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Prices of all 997s have gone up in the last couple of years and I don't think you'll find much choice of Gen2 cars under £28k so anyone with a budget less than that hasn't got much choice.

One or two issues have been reported with Gen2 engines but by and large you're correct in assuming that the later cars are generally reliable.

For similar money I'd go for a Gen2 3.6 over a Gen1 'S'.


I would definitley want a gen 2.

I can remember reading somewhere than the 3.6 gen 2 is not much slower than the 3.8?

I didn’t pay much attention at the time as the gen 2 was way out of my price range.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les wrote:
Correct, The gen2 engine has 40% fewer parts, no IMS and is made from a much more bore scoring resilient alloy called Alusil. Basically its pretty much bulletproof especially the 3.6

What type of car are you looking for? I've got a PDK Cabriolet for £31,995 if you're interested.


Thanks for the offer, but it’s a bit soon for me at the moment.

I would probably go for a 3.6 or 3.8 coupe. I’m between that and a R8, but I think the pdk will sway it in the 997’s favour.

I was considering something more practical like a RS3, but they are more hassle than they are worth because every scumbag wants to steal them.

I was pleasantly surprised when I seen gen 2 prices. I was expecting to be told they have as many issues as gen 1’s.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les wrote:
Correct, The gen2 engine has 40% fewer parts, no IMS and is made from a much more bore scoring resilient alloy called Alusil. Basically its pretty much bulletproof especially the 3.6

What type of car are you looking for? I've got a PDK Cabriolet for £31,995 if you're interested.

Just saw the advert for your car on FB.ove the clear rear lenses
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
Les wrote:
Correct, The gen2 engine has 40% fewer parts, no IMS and is made from a much more bore scoring resilient alloy called Alusil. Basically its pretty much bulletproof especially the 3.6

What type of car are you looking for? I've got a PDK Cabriolet for £31,995 if you're interested.

Just saw the advert for your car on FB.ove the clear rear lenses


Thanks, its a great car. Only selling because I'm coming into some inheritance and decided to up my game and spend double on a newer car.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Les wrote:
FZP wrote:
Les wrote:
Correct, The gen2 engine has 40% fewer parts, no IMS and is made from a much more bore scoring resilient alloy called Alusil. Basically its pretty much bulletproof especially the 3.6

What type of car are you looking for? I've got a PDK Cabriolet for £31,995 if you're interested.

Just saw the advert for your car on FB.ove the clear rear lenses


Thanks, its a great car. Only selling because I'm coming into some inheritance and decided to up my game and spend double on a newer car.


I sold a immaculate 30k mile, one owner 350z roadster in March after 4 summers of rain.

If I ever buy another convertible, I’ll ruin the weather for everyone else again.

Yours should get snapped up in this weather. It’s really nice. Love the colour.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a boxster pdk as a courtesy car for a while. I loved it but the only thing I didn’t like were the paddles. They just didn’t make sense to me. It was odd that they both did the same thing and they felt “back to front”.

Can this be changed with coding?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think so, but you do get used to it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kev.K wrote:
I had a boxster pdk as a courtesy car for a while. I loved it but the only thing I didn’t like were the paddles. They just didn’t make sense to me. It was odd that they both did the same thing and they felt “back to front”.

Can this be changed with coding?


Can’t be changed with coding but can be changed with rewiring - requires a decent bit of dismantling thou. Alternatively buy a new steering wheel Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

160dmb wrote:
Kev.K wrote:
I had a boxster pdk as a courtesy car for a while. I loved it but the only thing I didn’t like were the paddles. They just didn’t make sense to me. It was odd that they both did the same thing and they felt “back to front”.

Can this be changed with coding?


Can’t be changed with coding but can be changed with rewiring - requires a decent bit of dismantling thou. Alternatively buy a new steering wheel Smile


I didn’t know that was a option. Great news. Mind made up.

The paddles were putting me off the pdk a bit tbh.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The paddles were putting me off the pdk a bit tbh.


Simple.... Don't use them Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t let the 7.2 buttons put you off. While they may seem counterintuitive at first they are actually a great design. You can always get the gear you want because you have two chances to have your hand in the right place in a corner.

I moved out of one to a manual (partly because I couldn’t reach to a .2 turbo), but for a while I genuinely missed those buttons
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS - not sure what you remember about Gen2 prices to say they have come down massively but my old car is currently for sale with a trader for £36k.

I paid £35k for it 3 years ago from a differently dealer, with 14k fewer miles and of course one less owner. So no, static and a bit up
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kev.K wrote:
160dmb wrote:
Kev.K wrote:
I had a boxster pdk as a courtesy car for a while. I loved it but the only thing I didn’t like were the paddles. They just didn’t make sense to me. It was odd that they both did the same thing and they felt “back to front”.

Can this be changed with coding?


Can’t be changed with coding but can be changed with rewiring - requires a decent bit of dismantling thou. Alternatively buy a new steering wheel Smile


I didn’t know that was a option. Great news. Mind made up.

The paddles were putting me off the pdk a bit tbh.


I think you mean the Steering wheel buttons rather than the paddles .... as the paddles function logically....
There are two versions of control at the steering wheel .....

And.....I don’t think you can compare a RS3 to a 997.2 in terms of everyday use ....the Porsche would be the d2d car over the rs3..... every time.......

Buy the 997.2 and see for yourself why they are the choice.....

You could alternatively go for the better handling model The Cayman ......in S form it is a great car ....
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ishay wrote:
PS - not sure what you remember about Gen2 prices to say they have come down massively but my old car is currently for sale with a trader for £36k.

I paid £35k for it 3 years ago from a differently dealer, with 14k fewer miles and of course one less owner. So no, static and a bit up


It was around 4/5 years ago.

I’m shocked by how 997.1 prices have gone. I thought they would go the same way as the 996.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
Kev.K wrote:
160dmb wrote:
Kev.K wrote:
I had a boxster pdk as a courtesy car for a while. I loved it but the only thing I didn’t like were the paddles. They just didn’t make sense to me. It was odd that they both did the same thing and they felt “back to front”.

Can this be changed with coding?


Can’t be changed with coding but can be changed with rewiring - requires a decent bit of dismantling thou. Alternatively buy a new steering wheel Smile


I didn’t know that was a option. Great news. Mind made up.

The paddles were putting me off the pdk a bit tbh.


I think you mean the Steering wheel buttons rather than the paddles .... as the paddles function logically....
There are two versions of control at the steering wheel .....

And.....I don’t think you can compare a RS3 to a 997.2 in terms of everyday use ....the Porsche would be the d2d car over the rs3..... every time.......

Buy the 997.2 and see for yourself why they are the choice.....

You could alternatively go for the better handling model The Cayman ......in S form it is a great car ....


I’d love a gt4 but the regular cayman isn’t for me. Great cars but I’ve loved 911 since I was a kid.

It probably would have been the buttons in boxster. I am used to right hand up, left hand down. Anything else doesn’t feel natural to me.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kev.K wrote:


....... I’m shocked by how 997.1 prices have gone. I thought they would go the same way as the 996.



Have you seen where 996 prices are now compared with 4 years ago Question

£20k for a decent narrow bodied car and c£25k for a C4S is the main reason that you have to pay mid-£20ks for a Gen1 997.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still don't understand the rise in 996 prices. It's like the interest in them being a "bargain" has caused prices to overshoot Dont know
 
  
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