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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:54 pm    Post subject: Fitted My New tyres WTF ??? Reply with quote

Few days back i bought my Michelin MP4S (sport) tyres all 4 corners and got phone call yesterday to say there in so today i arranged to get them fitted.when they fitted the tyres on the alloys it was a young boy doing them so all was good and waited in the waiting room and thought let me go to the fitting bay to have a look and this is what i saw...... they fitted the weights on the close to the rim where you can see it.. i pulled up the guy to one side and said would you drive a car like this with weights showing?? We appologised and tried to explain. Didnt wanna know i said take all 4 corners off and and balance the weights using statuc balance cos i aint driving my car like that, the boss came out and was appologetic which was all good. The tyre shop is a massive place and very busy ... finaly sorted it... but what a difference these Michelins are .....

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looking at a set of these but struggling with sizes. What did you go with 295 or 305 rears?

Can I ask where you sourced them from please?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Black Circles had the best price when I did my fronts a couple of weeks ago. Try them and Camskill. I got mine from my local F1 though who price matched. My local F1 are excellent and I've used them for years.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like mine balanced both edges of the rim if required - gives a smoother ride. But then my wheels don't need that many weights so you don't notice them. Are your rims buckled at all?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd sooner have mine balanced with edge weights. Who cares if they're visible, so long as they're decent quality weights Dont know

It's more aesthetically pleasing than your rusty wheel bolts & plastic tyre caps.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I balence these with weights on the inside and outside , i dont use static but i do use colour coded weights but im not here to argue and static will hide the weights .. those in the picture are rather bright shall we say !

Anyways my point here and about Michelins .. which is something you lot probably already know but was a bit of an eye opener for me the other day ..

Michelin tyres .. car in for service and we always road test the cars before we start work on them ..

R/T all good , no faults but on the service each tyre was the best part of 0.5 bar down .. so i set them to book settings ..

R/T after work done .. stuff me the road noise from the tyres .. i know Michelins are noisy but i hadnt realised that a lower pressure actually shut them up !!

It would be interesting to know if a few psi lower would also make them quiet as i think 0.5 bar is a little too much but for me it was interesting to learn this..

Just goes to show theres still much i can learn !
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....and static balancing is poor on car with wheels as wide as a 997.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Static balancing on a wheel that wide, really! It's not a vintage car with pram wheels Floor

Still, it's not as bad as a mate who recently needed to get tyres replaced when in France on holiday. They used hammer on weights on the rims of his 458, he was less than happy. Although the weights drew the eye away from the damage inflicted by the tyre machine operator and this was at a garage recommended by the Ferrari roadside assistance! He's currently in negotiations for two new wheels Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K888ETH wrote:
Static balancing on a wheel that wide, really! It's not a vintage car with pram wheels Floor


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wonder what wear on suspension parts and wheel bearings you're creating by not having the wheels balanced properly, ie. dynamically.

I just feel sorry for the guys who did their job properly. I wonder who won 'annoying customer of the week award' at that establishment?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be a lot of weights there. The tyre should have been moved around a bit & re balanced
Bridgestone and Dunlop use a yellow dot, which should be placed next to the valve. If there are two dots on the tyre, then that point should be placed opposite the valve.Not all tyre companies bother, notably Avon and Michelin don't.The dot merely marks the heaviest/lightest point on the tyre so you can get away with the least possible number of balance weights
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a MPS4's fitted to a set of brand new OEM rear wheels and they needed weights just like this. Bit annoying.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think yourself lucky they didn't trash your wheels whilst fitting the tyres,i have seen some right horror stories.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought static balancing was meant for Motor bikes?

I v only had it done once by a wheel refurbisher and the car drove dreadfully, so had them rebalanced dynamically

Are you sure you know what your talking about ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got all four tyres very cheap and was lucky!! No my wheels are no buckled at all, the old tyres were static weighed by previous owner. All tyres are never perfect when they are made from manufacturer. I went back and got them re-done using black low profile weights which you cant notice at all! The wheel with the most weights. I told the guy to take the air out and rotate the tyre half way round then re-balance the wheel. Now there only 2 small weights. The tyre shop specialises in high end cars and there are always range rovers, porshes and ferraris when i drive by, isnt no corner shop with a car jack on the floor.... Laughing Laughing

These MP4S tyres seem hard to find, had to wait 4 days for delivery no one had them when they tried to order, even Black Circles didnt have them. And to also get them cheap, now that was a result!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-- 997 -- wrote:
And to also get them cheap, now that was a result!


How cheap is cheap Dont know

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-- 997 -- wrote:
And to also get them cheap, now that was a result!


How cheap is cheap Dont know

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£820 inc fitting compared to stupid prices i was quoted, prices were ranging from £820 - £980 etc.... and ive searched the internet for cheaper!! And the cheapest was like 4 miles from where i live! Thumb

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark pearce wrote:
Are you sure you know what your talking about ?


What kind of question is that? i know what im talking about, started of life at Kwik Fit pbefore flying the nest to BMW Laughing Laughing When you static balance a wheel its a hit and miss! If the tyres and alloy are put together and are good you can get away with the static balance but alot of the time you get vibration which means you have no choice but to re-balance the wheel having weights on the outside ! However there was a slight vibration on rear after driving the next day so i wasnt confident on driving. Went back and got them re-done in black weights which you cant see. The tyres i had in my 997 previously were balanced statically must have been lucky lLaughing

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies , but having sold Porsche for over 30 years, they only times I ve seen centrally balanced wheels the result has been appalling
And when Ive pointed that out to the tyre fitters who re balanced the wheels, they’ just laughed at the prior work
As the cars come from the factory with weights on the inside and outside , Porsche normally put a lot of thought into what they do

I’d never deliver a car to a customer with centrally balanced weights

My tyre fitters regularly tell me that for a polo /fiesta balanced to 5g the customers will never know , but for a Porsche they balance to 0g and recalibrate the machine regularly for ‘Mr P’
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