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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:31 pm    Post subject: Disgusting start stop Reply with quote

I am disgusted with the start stop feature on my 911.2 turbo. It has a mind of its own. Cuts out the most innapropriate times. Why can't it be like Audi where you have to hold the break pedal down a bit firmer for it to activate???? Mercedes too. Perfect. But no this one is evil !!!!! Literally.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start stop is a death trap waiting to happen on all cars fitted with it. By no means fool proof and seriously dangerous.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven’t had any issues with stop/start but I suspect it works differently on a PDK to manual. The other option is to run it in Sport mode because stop/start is switched off.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manual cars know what you're about to do cos of the clutch and gear stick. Auto's still aren't capable of knowing you next move.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you take your foot off the brake pedal, they know the loud pedal is next.
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also detest this function ...I have it on my 15 Cayenne and although there is a button to switch off I often forget and it often cuts out at the most inappropriate moments at a roundabout for example where a slow approach is required , momentary stop then opportunity to nip out an£ the bloody think cuts out just as my brain calls do my right foot to be planted .... nothing for pause then the engine limps over again ....I’m convinced it’s going to get me rear ended by following traffic ...

I have requested Porsche disable but they will not ...

I have read somewhere that the Macan retains its last command on the stop/ start until otherwise asked to operate ...? Anyone know if this is the case ?

It’s a real PITA ....and probably the only thing I don’t like about the Cayenne S ........

I totally agree with this guy regarding this tech ........

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k159M8QhCIE
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im not sure on the Macan but i expect its like the other Porsches .. its default to on .

991 has an on / off button as well .

From memory it Can be coded off .. strange your OPC has refused .. i think if i asked someone to do something and they refused i might resort to a little foot stomping .. well .. at least get a dam good reason why not !
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deMort wrote:
Im not sure on the Macan but i expect its like the other Porsches .. its default to on .

991 has an on / off button as well .

From memory it Can be coded off .. strange your OPC has refused .. i think if i asked someone to do something and they refused i might resort to a little foot stomping .. well .. at least get a dam good reason why not !


Cheers deMort ...I might just do the ‘foot stomping ‘ thing ....in all seriousness I find it counter intuitive ,downright dangerous in my driving style and would rank the tech along with the first edition PDK buttons which worked the opposite way to most people’s natural actions ....I’d just like it default to off ....then I’d be a happy dude ......
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2018 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it helps .. i hate stop start with a passion .. i have to make sure its working on a road test .. which means i drive it to the end of the estate .. it works .. i then disable it for the remainder of the road test !
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate the thing, a few years ago when my 911 was in for service at Hatfield OPC I paid an extra £90 and they coded it , so it was off as at start up. Took my cayenne a few weeks later and they said they were no longer able to !
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

991.2 S/S system is always trying to stop even at the slightest chance of idling, annoying as F.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine that the number of baby Polar bears saved as a result of stop/start will be precisely zero. Utterly pointless tech. Hate it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its just another government fiddle they've been conned with again to generate less vehicle tax revenue.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first Touareg had it and it worked like you'd expect, stop at a junction couple of seconds later it stops.
New car now cuts as your coasting to a junction at 2-3 mph. I went back to the dealer, no seriously I did think they'd listen, they didn't. Told them it was dangerous, I mean if the engine is OFF surely so is the power steering and power brakes. Oh you've got electronic power steering, err no I don't it's hydraulic! Anyway it only works when it feels like it and that isn't to often so when it does work I turn it off as it's just a flippin pain.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Start/Stop on the GT3 (thank goodness). Smile

In this case, less is more. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
I have read somewhere that the Macan retains its last command on the stop/ start until otherwise asked to operate ...? Anyone know if this is the case ?


I had a macan courtesy whilst I was waiting to pick the GTS up. That kept start stop off when leaving and going back to the car. Unfortunately I didn't have it long enough to know if it stays like that all the time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have it on a petrol manual Golf.

I love it, works perfectly every time*, engine is fired as the clutch is pressed.

Makes perfect sense IMO in town traffic, why have cars sat there chugging out who knows what directly in to the lungs of the occupiers of the car behind?

Had an FL2 with it too, but that had a mind of its own! Only randomly cut the engine, and that being a diesel I guess was annoyingly slow to start when it did.



*except one time commuting home and it did not restart. 5yo battery had died just like that. No warning, no slow starts nothing. Just completely died at a junction. Jumpstart and the car was fine. £120 battery from eurocarparts and its running well again.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
“Many of the magnetite particles we have found in the brain are very distinctive,” said Maher. “They are very rounded nanospheres, because they were formed as molten droplets of material from combustion sources, such as car exhausts, industrial processes and power stations, anywhere you are burning fuel.”
.....

Furthermore, said Maher: “We also observed other metal-bearing particles in the brain, such as platinum, cobalt and nickel. Things like platinum are very unlikely to come from a source within the brain. It is a bit of an indicator of a [vehicle] catalytic converter source.”


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/05/toxic-air-pollution-particles-found-in-human-brains-links-alzheimers

Nice.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't scientists proved now that someone exposed to car fumes all their life compared to someone who hasn't shortens their life by approximately 2 days or something really pathetic like that?


Sure there was a documentary on the TV about it a few months ago.
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