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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Gen 2 Carrera 2 newbie's first impressions Reply with quote

I've had the car for a week now, and thought you might be interested in my initial thoughts, and plans for the car.
The car is a three owner Arctic Silver 2011 997.2 Carrera 2 (non-S) with 33k miles, for which I paid £38k.
Anyway, first driving impressions.......#1 is the steering. Totally different to any other car I've driven, very direct with plenty of feel. You really feel connected to the road - although my other car is a Range Rover which is more like piloting a boat!
#2, I love the looks of these cars, and everyone has gone "ooh, a Porsche, it's lovely, you lucky sod!" or words to that effect.
#3, the fact that it's unique; i.e. there's no other flat 6 rear engine car in existence, and fairly soon they'll stop making new (6 pot naturally aspirated) ones I'd imagine, if they still do that is.
Right then, dislikes:
The standard multifunction steering wheel, hmm, no, sorry. I've already sourced a Sport Design paddle shift 991.1 wheel off Ebay which I'll fit soon.
The ride height, especially at the front. I'm after Techart springs but no-one seems keen to sell me any - I've asked both Tech 9 and Parr without reply so far - any ideas? I don't want more than a 20mm drop because we're infested with speed bumps round here. I'd love Ohlins Track & Road but £2.2k plus fitting; yikes!
The noise, or lack of it. I'll probably get a Gundo hack, and if that's not enough I'll get a cat back system from TopGear in Bridport.
The wheels - 18 inch Carrera 4 which I do like, but it needs spacers. Got a 15mm and 7mm hub centric set, with new bolts, on the way.
The exhaust tips (standard oval ones) are very dull, despite my polishing attempts. So some "S" style stainless jobbies will do, I think. Either as part of, or instead of, the TopGear system.
The PDK's insistence that "you will be in 7th gear as soon as possible" is a bit odd, but I'll get Porsche to retrofit Sports Mode.
Oh, and most importantly, a full service to include spark plugs, PDK clutch oil, and drive belt - looks like those haven't been done even though they should have been. I'll try Brookspeed since I live in Fareham.

Finally, why didn't I buy an "S"? Because I enjoy taking a base version and (in my opinion) tastefully modding it, rather than buying a ready made package. Plus "S" cars were £4k more expensive!
Thanks for reading - if you've made it this far!! Pics to follow when it's all done.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great summary and seems like you have a clear vision in which you wish to take the car whilst in your custody. I get the impression that some people need to apologise for not getting this model or that model. I would say that after visiting Porsche on the Prom on Sunday in Wales that it doesn't matter which model you have, what is more important is that you enjoy and care for your car whilst you own it, hopefully handing over to the new owner in a better state than you found it. I had a great chat with an old digger who had a lovely 911T from '68 or so. The passion he had for the car eclipsed the performance or value of the car by miles.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for taking the time to report. It makes interesting reading.

All 911s except GT cars are now turbocharged so you are indeed owning and driving a dinosaur* Grin

Enjoy the 'modding' experience and get those photos up asap. Thumb

*This isn't a dig. imo all 911 Carreras should be rear engined normally aspirated flat-sixes.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good post mate , great to hear your pleased with it and your planning to add some subtle mods to personalise it.
to try and answer some questions
RE the PDK and love of 7th gear lol. when you have fitted the Sport wheel with the paddles you may well find you drive in manual mode a lot of the time as its easy and fun, so leaving the auto mode for those long boring trips. if you want the retro sport option its about £800 from your OPC but I would play Bournemouth and Portsmouth off to get the best price my thoughts are expect 15% discount by the time you have finished with them lol. but at least 10% should be offered.
re the exhaust Topgear would be my preference over a gundo on a gen2
valved boxes and rear box delete then if you want more 200 cell cats which are linked to the headers as a single unit with the gen2 so the whole set us is then stainless this will add bhp as its lighter with better gas exit as well as sound good . the gundo on its own without doing the rear muffler delete on a gen2 wont sound good , personally I think the gundo is ok on the gen1 but not so good on the DFI engine. tips Alex has lots of options at topgear call Alex there as he will give you a 10% discount code to use off their web prices.
techart springs as your not having much luck with 2 of the UK distributors
try JASMINE PORSCHALINK UK as they also do Techart failing that an email directly to techart will prompt them to pass it you a UK supplier who with then contact you as they have been proded by techart (been there done that lol).
Brookspeed, good call they are top guys and are currently doing my gearbox rebuild on my gen2 (why didnt I buy a PDK LOL)
18" alloys if you have bad roads the 18s are going to be a nicer ride but I do prefer the look of 19s but thats personal taste.

I am impressed how much research you have already done as you have a clear set of ideas and based on facts you have gathered. look forward to pics and at simply porsche if your going on 3rd June Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on my 2nd 'Base model' 997.2 PDK. Brilliant cars.
If you want a lot of noise go for a gundo (use PCW - £250 and he comes to you).
On the gen2 you have a centre box that really strangles the sound. You could either get Paul (PCW) to modify it or replace it with either an X or Cross-over pipe.

I've had a PCW gundo done and have a Miltek crossover pipe fitted. Together they produce 98db, which is louder than a Corsa in McDonald's carpark on a Saturday night. - Lovely Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

👀 g forward to some before and after pics. My old base 996 was one of my best loved 911 the 997 4S I didn’t seem to get too excited but now the 997 turbo gets me up in a morning all excited!! It could have just been a life timing think, or the lack of it with the 4S.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
Very good post mate , great to hear your pleased with it and your planning to add some subtle mods to personalise it.
to try and answer some questions
RE the PDK and love of 7th gear lol. when you have fitted the Sport wheel with the paddles you may well find you drive in manual mode a lot of the time as its easy and fun, so leaving the auto mode for those long boring trips. if you want the retro sport option its about £800 from your OPC but I would play Bournemouth and Portsmouth off to get the best price my thoughts are expect 15% discount by the time you have finished with them lol. but at least 10% should be offered.
re the exhaust Topgear would be my preference over a gundo on a gen2
valved boxes and rear box delete then if you want more 200 cell cats which are linked to the headers as a single unit with the gen2 so the whole set us is then stainless this will add bhp as its lighter with better gas exit as well as sound good . the gundo on its own without doing the rear muffler delete on a gen2 wont sound good , personally I think the gundo is ok on the gen1 but not so good on the DFI engine. tips Alex has lots of options at topgear call Alex there as he will give you a 10% discount code to use off their web prices.
techart springs as your not having much luck with 2 of the UK distributors
try JASMINE PORSCHALINK UK as they also do Techart failing that an email directly to techart will prompt them to pass it you a UK supplier who with then contact you as they have been proded by techart (been there done that lol).
Brookspeed, good call they are top guys and are currently doing my gearbox rebuild on my gen2 (why didnt I buy a PDK LOL)
18" alloys if you have bad roads the 18s are going to be a nicer ride but I do prefer the look of 19s but thats personal taste.

I am impressed how much research you have already done as you have a clear set of ideas and based on facts you have gathered. look forward to pics and at simply porsche if your going on 3rd June Thumb Thumb


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
Very good post mate , great to hear your pleased with it and your planning to add some subtle mods to personalise it.
to try and answer some questions
RE the PDK and love of 7th gear lol. when you have fitted the Sport wheel with the paddles you may well find you drive in manual mode a lot of the time as its easy and fun, so leaving the auto mode for those long boring trips. if you want the retro sport option its about £800 from your OPC but I would play Bournemouth and Portsmouth off to get the best price my thoughts are expect 15% discount by the time you have finished with them lol. but at least 10% should be offered.
re the exhaust Topgear would be my preference over a gundo on a gen2
valved boxes and rear box delete then if you want more 200 cell cats which are linked to the headers as a single unit with the gen2 so the whole set us is then stainless this will add bhp as its lighter with better gas exit as well as sound good . the gundo on its own without doing the rear muffler delete on a gen2 wont sound good , personally I think the gundo is ok on the gen1 but not so good on the DFI engine. tips Alex has lots of options at topgear call Alex there as he will give you a 10% discount code to use off their web prices.
techart springs as your not having much luck with 2 of the UK distributors
try JASMINE PORSCHALINK UK as they also do Techart failing that an email directly to techart will prompt them to pass it you a UK supplier who with then contact you as they have been proded by techart (been there done that lol).
Brookspeed, good call they are top guys and are currently doing my gearbox rebuild on my gen2 (why didnt I buy a PDK LOL)
18" alloys if you have bad roads the 18s are going to be a nicer ride but I do prefer the look of 19s but thats personal taste.

I am impressed how much research you have already done as you have a clear set of ideas and based on facts you have gathered. look forward to pics and at simply porsche if your going on 3rd June Thumb Thumb


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Floor Floor I know , how impressed was I Grin Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post Thumb

Dare I say.... black dials also look nicer than the white ones in a
carrera S Grin

I always refer to mine as ‘the misery spec 911’.

If you’re coming to TRAX at Donington you can have listen to my exhaust, just centre silencer bypass (h&s).

There is also a variation on the gundo hack you can do (banana hack), which mimics the PSE. A bit more subtle than simply joining inlet and outlet pipes of the rear muffler, it does pass through some of the back box.






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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm on day 5 of Porsche ownership and also in a 997.2 3.6 PDK.

I'm very much enjoying the gearbox and don't mind it shifting up very quickly.

Agree it needs more noise. I'm on the waiting list for this https://www.topgear.co.uk/porsche-911-997-2-carrera-valved-cat-back?product_type=exhausts
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, funny you should say that, Ben; I've had a PM chat with Alex at TopGear exhausts, and he's explained the valved catback exhaust that they do. My sensible side says "get a Gundo and take it from there", my middling side says "centre muffler bypass then take it from there", and my silly side says "full stainless system, you know you want to".

As for 200 cell cats, different manifold etc. I think that's a step too far for me. I did that on my BMW 335i a while back and it was just too much, the car was basically too fast for our roads and produced a very raspy noise.

Track days don't interest me, and the roads round here (M27 corridor) are so congested that having a super-fast car is a bit pointless (why I didn't look at 911 turbos). Noise, however, within reason, is always desirable. Soon enough we'll all be in electric cars with no engine noise at all!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping to hear a few exhaust mods in the flesh at a Porsche meet before purchasing.

I do want lots of noise but also want to the option to turn the noise off.

I like the sound of Les's exhaust but wouldn't want that noise all the time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

benbuhagiar wrote:
I'm on day 5 of Porsche ownership and also in a 997.2 3.6 PDK.

I'm very much enjoying the gearbox and don't mind it shifting up very quickly.

Agree it needs more noise. I'm on the waiting list for this https://www.topgear.co.uk/porsche-911-997-2-carrera-valved-cat-back?product_type=exhausts


Ben as I mentioned to Mike dont forget Topgear are a forum sponsor and as such offer a 10% discount to forum members so dont forget to ask for it, or ask for the code if buying it online Thumb Thumb the other option if theres a few thinking of a new exhaust or part of ,would be to see if Alex would run another group buy . I seem to remember he only needed 5 to offer 15% discount the last one he did just after Xmas they had 100 orders so actually went to 20% but that was an exceptionally popular group buy that attracted members from overseas as well. Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a mod that can be done to the TopGear system to make it a bit louder when the valve is open?

Also looking at Air intakes - what are my options Phil?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
benbuhagiar wrote:
I'm on day 5 of Porsche ownership and also in a 997.2 3.6 PDK.

I'm very much enjoying the gearbox and don't mind it shifting up very quickly.

Agree it needs more noise. I'm on the waiting list for this https://www.topgear.co.uk/porsche-911-997-2-carrera-valved-cat-back?product_type=exhausts


Ben as I mentioned to Mike dont forget Topgear are a forum sponsor and as such offer a 10% discount to forum members so dont forget to ask for it, or ask for the code if buying it online Thumb Thumb the other option if theres a few thinking of a new exhaust or part of ,would be to see if Alex would run another group buy . I seem to remember he only needed 5 to offer 15% discount the last one he did just after Xmas they had 100 orders so actually went to 20% but that was an exceptionally popular group buy that attracted members from overseas as well. Thumb


I'd be up for a group buy also if there's enough interest.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a quote from Alex that includes fitting at Bridport, but if anything more can be shaved from that number I'd be a customer......consider me part of a group buy if it happens.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

benbuhagiar wrote:
Is there a mod that can be done to the TopGear system to make it a bit louder when the valve is open?

Also looking at Air intakes - what are my options Phil?


Ben I would suggest starting with the valved cat back and rear muffler delete x pipe or cross over , I think Topgears is an xpipe design, then if after you have run it a bit you feel you want more sound then fit the topgear 200cell cats this is a one piece unit on gen2 cars and includes the headers so effectivly you would then have a full stainless sports set up that will still have a loud and quiet option, due to the weight reduction over stock and the more free flowing pipes you will also see decent BHP gains this will come mainly when you do the 200cell cats. although just the catback does give fair BHP gains.

re induction for the gen2 , I have found from experience that the ideal easy cheapish way is to fit BMC oval sports filters in your airbox the car will noticably be more freely reving and breath better that sort of weezy engine note will stop.
anything more than this eg performance induction kits like the fabspeed carbon one I have will require a remap as its just a bit too much for the ECU to relearn and you will run lumpy in low revs and have o2 faults on both sides .

If anyones interested just before I fitted the fabspeed induction kit I brought 2 new oval BMC sports filters as I dont clean them just replace then but thats my choice , they are new unused in the box and I brought them when the suppier was doing a discount promo, so happy to let them go for the £120 I paid for them plus £10 postage if anyones interested let me know.

re cleaning Sports filters which is what your supposed to do as they are a lifetime filter , the best advise I have ever been given is to wash them , re oil them, wrap in kitchen paper towel and leave overnight in the airingroom cupboard to steep ,this will ensure any over enthusiastic re oiling will be sorted and not foul the maff sensors (clearly dont tell the wife your doing that to her airing room Grin ) hope those suggestions help mate Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Counter Of Beans wrote:
I have a quote from Alex that includes fitting at Bridport, but if anything more can be shaved from that number I'd be a customer......consider me part of a group buy if it happens.


I would suggest a call to Alex as theres 3 of you interested on this thread and I know of another discussing topgear options on another thread so theres 4 already without posting a group buy invitation . Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

No appetite for another group buy until July or so i'd expect. This is because I am currently appeasing angry German and French distributors who want to know where all my depth of stock vanished to Question Floor

Got a lot in production or restock so in a month or two we'll be in a better position to run something again.

Forum members 10% discount available as always.

Counterofbeans I reckon we can sharpen that fitted deal I offered in PM just a little more but i'd want the vehicle for a few days. Could even potentially collect/deliver it via recovery truck we own.

Let me know by PM if possible.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
Counter Of Beans wrote:
I have a quote from Alex that includes fitting at Bridport, but if anything more can be shaved from that number I'd be a customer......consider me part of a group buy if it happens.


I would suggest a call to Alex as theres 3 of you interested on this thread and I know of another discussing topgear options on another thread so theres 4 already without posting a group buy invitation . Grin Thumb


Thanks for your comments Phil.

Sounds like a good plan for a group buy. I am sure we can get at least 5.
 
  
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