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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:35 pm    Post subject: Nine Excellence and my 997.1 Turbo Reply with quote

Evening,

I've been meaning to do this for a while but I’d like to share my experience of buying from 9e and my 997.1 Turbo ownership so far.

After the disappointment of my C4S ownership I bought a Black 997.1 Turbo with about 30K miles and interior carbon pack from 9e back in June 2015. This was before 9e were selling cars in the capacity they are now but I jumped at a chance to buy from them given their reputation for building fast cars. I’ve always wanted a 911 Turbo and what I really like about the 996 and 997 platform is there so much you can do to their looks and engines to make these cars your own.

The car was previously looked after by 9e who were selling it on behalf of one of their customers. The car did not come with a warranty but I was assured it would be thoroughly checked, serviced and detailed.





The car also already had 9e’s stage 2 package which included a new Europipe exhaust, light weight flywheel, short shifter, upgraded clutch and a remap. After a short test drive with Adam I was blown away by its performance and I left a deposit with Ken that evening. We arranged a collection date and I impatiently waited for the collection date.


On collection the car was prepped and cleanly presented as promised. Ken took the time to take me through the car and went through all the mods and explained how I could build on them should I want more performance later.












In the two and a half years of ownership I can honestly say the car has been faultless with not a single issue. I'm really happy with the car which has not cost me anything.

Recently I have been thinking about extracting more power from the car, I've had many chats with Ken as to which direction I should take over the past few months. We decided on their 9e28 package with Do88 intercoolers and GT2RS hybrid VTGs. Ken explained how the package works and explained their philosophy to making their cars both fast but more importantly reliable by using their extensively tried and trusted packages.

Other tuners run meth and while their performance numbers are impressive the risks are much higher and I did not want to risk my engine simply for headline grabbing figures. Ken explained how his customers can do run after run at events with zero issues. That being understood Ken ordered the parts, I dropped off the car and work began….

Some pictures courtesy of 9e of the Do88 intercoolers being fitted.









And the GT2RS hybrid VTGs Smile









I also wanted the car the car lowered but despite us placing an order with Bilstein for their damptronics setup and waiting 10 months they gave us no definitive ETA on delivery. As a temporary solution we went Eibach lowering springs until we get the damptronics so I could retain the PASM and DSC module.











To say I am happy with the car is an understatement, I tested it yesterday and it just unbelievable the way it picks up speed… the performance increases are night and day different to was already a much faster car than a standard 997 turbo. I did think the turbo lag would be worse but I do not notice much difference. I am blown away on how smooth the power delivery is. On my 2hrs test drive yesterday there appears to be no compromises as a result of the upgrade. The car’s intake temperatures barely move between during spirited runs thanks to those Do88 intercoolers which are significantly better than the ones fitted to a GT2RS.

In addition I asked Ken to install another map on the car so I could run it on race fuel. Ken provided me with a device that allows me to change the map myself when running on 109 octane fuel. Their other customers have experienced gains of 100 wheel horse power with this map which lowers the 0-300 times to about 20 seconds Grin

Next things on the list are the carbon folding buckets and the Bilstein Damptronics but both are proving hard to find. Until then I am just enjoying what is just an amazing car.

I just wanted to say a BIG thank you to Ken and his team for an amazing buying experience and after sales care. If you have not had a chance to see their new showroom or if you are considering performance upgrades it is well worth the trip.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice write-up, Appollo! Did you also change the alloys whilst you were at it? I prefer the 997 originals on the Turbo if not the Turbo II's but each to their own.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxie wrote:
Very nice write-up, Appollo! Did you also change the alloys whilst you were at it? I prefer the 997 originals on the Turbo if not the Turbo II's but each to their own.

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Cheers Maxie, I did yes. I bought a set of OEM GT2 wheels because I had the Turbo originals on my C4S and was over them and fancied a change. They came in black and were recently refurbished by exel wheels and because were in perfect condition I did not want to change them but I will probably live with them for a bit and get them changed to anthracite or something later this year.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cracking review and lovely car!

Ken and the 9e guys really know their coconuts and are always generous with their knowledge. I was only reading some old posts from ken yesterday actually.

Health to enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great choice of car/ mods/ tuner......nice work Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragpicker wrote:
Cracking review and lovely car!

Ken and the 9e guys really know their coconuts and are always generous with their knowledge. I was only reading some old posts from ken yesterday actually.

Health to enjoy!

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Cheers mate Smile they really do and the other thing is you are not ltd to the off the shelf stuff they have either, they really cater to your specific requirements like track days etc. I am really looking forward to getting the DSC model turned by them once we get the suspension sorted out.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maph wrote:
Great choice of car/ mods/ tuner......nice work Very Happy


Thanks a bunch, you have an amazing looking car too BTW worship
Will update this thread once I have run it on race fuel Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a serious bit of kit!

Lowering the car really gives it some menace!

Are the GT2RS turbo's made by Porsche? And, why are they hybrid? Is that because of the VTG?

What sort of power and 0-60 do you expect with this package?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jotaking wrote:
That is a serious bit of kit!

Lowering the car really gives it some menace!

Are the GT2RS turbo's made by Porsche? And, why are they hybrid? Is that because of the VTG?

What sort of power and 0-60 do you expect with this package?


Thanks so much, I think they are proper GT2RS turbo's with 9e's proprietary turbines (which are bigger and have their own design) but I am not 100% sure.

In terms of power 9e do not run their cars on dyno's and prefer real world VBOX resting. Mine makes about 612WHP (Wheel Horse Power) on normal fuel and another 100WHP on race fuel.

I think IMIA's 9e28 on race fuel does 0-60 in around 3.1-3.2 seconds which is pretty good considering our cars have manual gearboxes and no launch control.

He has had LOADS of experience and practice though it will be a while before i can get those times Smile

The nice thing about this setup with intercoolers is the intake temperatures remain consistent as the car gathers speed which I do not believe is the case with the GT2RS intercoolers.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a stunning car, well done thumbsup
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think IMIA's 9e28 on race fuel does 0-60 in around 3.1-3.2 seconds which is pretty good considering our cars have manual gearboxes and no launch control.

He has had LOADS of experience and practice though it will be a while before i can get those times Smile


1st gear comes around too quick in my stock 997.1 T. You'll need feet like Michael Flatley to get away cleanly in that!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swampy wrote:
Looks like a stunning car, well done thumbsup


Thanks Swampy, it actually was a tough choice between doing this mod and selling it for a 991 Turbo Ken had in stock.. really happy with this Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is fantastic! Wish I had fitted the do88 coolers. Seem to be the preferred choice now. FYI on 0 - 60 times a lot of the 9e packages will not focus on 0 - 60 specifically. Especially when you get very high up in power. 60 to 120 is more relevant.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Tom, the do88 do cost a fair bit more but are worth it plus at least if I ever want more power later I don't have to change them Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Ken and the 9e packages are 100% reliable, ask me how i know ! The ethos is not to run everything at 100% as this will lean toward issues. However run at 80% and its a win win for all, both mechanically and cost !

My ethos is reliability and driveability

Just for my two pennith worth:

0-60 is not real world on a 996 or 997 without launch control. esp if you are getting big BHP

Made me giggle re Imi,,,he must had done 100s upon 100s of runs LOL

I cannot really launch hard from 1st gear, to much loss of traction, whats the point ?,,,,,have to get it moving, into 2nd and give it the beans, then hold on very tight indeed and a little prey en route ! That not to say its not quick off the line of course he he te he !

I went Protomotive custom intercoolers, but have heard nothing but good things re D088
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely spec Smile

The GT2RS turbos are the same as the GT2, and are also the same as .2 turbos but with a different DV location. Hybrids use larger compressor wheels together with porting.

Tom, I think your Wagner are at least equal to the DO88, we had loads of heat soak at VMAX due the but ques so it's not really a proper test
 
  
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Very nice ! A video please to hear the sound track 😎
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lovely spec Smile

The GT2RS turbos are the same as the GT2, and are also the same as .2 turbos but with a different DV location.


Thanks so much Mezgerite, I did not know the 997.2 also used the same turbo's thanks for that Smile


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Thank you Slayer, hehe pretty sure they sound the same but i'll see what i can do Thumb
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Tom, I think your Wagner are at least equal to the DO88, we had loads of heat soak at VMAX due the but ques so it's not really a proper test


That is reassuring Rick. Hopefully we will see an improvement next time.
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