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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:19 pm    Post subject: 996 C4S Purchase Help Reply with quote

Hello,

I have been looking on Autotrader for a while now at the 996 C4S's, particular in Black, Grey and Silver but with prices ranging from 20k - 35k, i am a little lost on which one is going to be the sweet spot to buy and i guess not loose a load of cash!

Some of the higher priced cars have been for sale for ages but don't seen to be coming down in price.

So i guess the question is, which one would you buy!? Question

996 C4S Purchase Help

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it would have to be the one with the aero kit for £20k but that's just because aero kits rule
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to add, its a coupe i am looking for.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The price variance is primarily down to the miles the cars have done.

If you're going to use the car I wouldn't pay the low mileage premium and would concentrate on finding a mid-mileage car (eg c60k) with good history at a sensible price.

If you're not planning to add many miles then a low mileage pristine car shouldn't go down in value too much - other than the difference in £££s between 'trade' and 'retail' of course.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, we will have one for sale in next couple of weeks.

Lapis Blue
Manual
New clutch, flywheel and IMS bearing.
Wheels refurbished as new.
Full Porsche service history, just had Major at Porsche Wilmslow.
2 owner car.
40k miles.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my lovely former 4S for sale which I part exd for a turbo - I have no affiliation with the seller other than the part ex deal:

https://philipraby.co.uk/product/2002-porsche-996-carrera-4s
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the replies.

The polar silver one is on my list to view maybe, as well as the below. I am guessing he solar silver C4S was as it looks in mint condition?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909192383303?postcode=ng99hj&aggregatedTrim=996%20Carrera%204S&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&price-to=35000&radius=200&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=mileage&model=911&transmission=Manual&make=PORSCHE&page=2

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906279478128?advertising-location=at_cars&sort=mileage&postcode=ng99hj&price-to=35000&aggregatedTrim=996%20Carrera%204S&transmission=Manual&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=200&model=911&make=PORSCHE&page=3

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201909192393265?radius=200&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=mileage&postcode=ng99hj&price-to=35000&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&aggregatedTrim=996%20Carrera%204S&model=911&transmission=Manual&make=PORSCHE&page=5

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Phil,

Echoing some of the points made already. Mileage is the main driver for the price varience.

In terms of spec, having purchased mine 4.5 years ago I would say that:

Sports seats
Litetronic
PSE (Sports switchable exhaust)
Manual

Are the best options/spec to have.

Items to check on: Bore Score have a full Pre purchase inspection/buy from rep. dealer with warranty.

General maintenance items to check on:

Radiators/Condensers - £800 and Mesh grills to prevent damage
Suspension refresh - every 10 odd years £3,000
Clutch - 50k-70k miles £1,000
RMS - Gearbox out so £1,000
Disks and Pads £800/£1000
Exhaust rear boxes/Catalysts - £1,000 - £2,500 dep. on spec

As you can see, you can easily buy a "good one" and spend £5,000 in the next year on general maintenance, so check what has been done. I would hate to buy a £27-30k one, and then get hit with £4-£5k in the first year or two.


Market is flat at the moment, mine has been on sale for 9 Months:

https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2752

Looks good value against some of your current choices. FSH. Just had new Top Gear switchable ear boxes to replace OEM PSE £1,400, and £3,000 suspension refresh, New Clutch 10,000 miles ago. New RMS £1,000 5,000 miles ago.

They are great cars and a good one will serve you well over the next few years. I cannot think where you can get such a great driving experience for less money, and I am sure that 996 prices will continue to hold firm/ go up slowly over the next five years.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

Thank you for the reply.

I will check out the link, is this on SOR with the garage?

Thanks,

Phil
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Phil,

Yes on SOR with Portiacraft.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can i ask the sound difference between the PSE and the Top Gear exhaust that is now on there?

Thanks,

Phil
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulstevens64 wrote:
Hi Phil,

Echoing some of the points made already. Mileage is the main driver for the price varience.

In terms of spec, having purchased mine 4.5 years ago I would say that:

Sports seats
Litetronic
PSE (Sports switchable exhaust)
Manual

Are the best options/spec to have.

Items to check on: Bore Score have a full Pre purchase inspection/buy from rep. dealer with warranty.

General maintenance items to check on:

Radiators/Condensers - £800 and Mesh grills to prevent damage
Suspension refresh - every 10 odd years £3,000
Clutch - 50k-70k miles £1,000
RMS - Gearbox out so £1,000
Disks and Pads £800/£1000
Exhaust rear boxes/Catalysts - £1,000 - £2,500 dep. on spec

As you can see, you can easily buy a "good one" and spend £5,000 in the next year on general maintenance, so check what has been done. I would hate to buy a £27-30k one, and then get hit with £4-£5k in the first year or two.


Market is flat at the moment, mine has been on sale for 9 Months:

https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=2752

Looks good value against some of your current choices. FSH. Just had new Top Gear switchable ear boxes to replace OEM PSE £1,400, and £3,000 suspension refresh, New Clutch 10,000 miles ago. New RMS £1,000 5,000 miles ago.

They are great cars and a good one will serve you well over the next few years. I cannot think where you can get such a great driving experience for less money, and I am sure that 996 prices will continue to hold firm/ go up slowly over the next five years.


I clicked the link expecting to see a high mileage 996C4S for that price but mileage is very sensible. Market is a little up and down, good cars will always find buyers. Biggest problem I can see with that car is the interior colour. Prior to us selling cars I offered cars for sale to traders to either purchase or SOR and anything like your cars interior the answer was always NO. They have been stung before and had a car for months. We have sold a 996 Turbo this month, a 996 C4S 4 months ago and have another C4S in prep at the moment. All safe colours with sensible interior colour. The red just puts a lot of people off. Good luck with the sale, there will be someone out there that likes the combination. It’s just finding that said individual.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philnotts99 wrote:
Can i ask the sound difference between the PSE and the Top Gear exhaust that is now on there?

Thanks,

Phil


In my opinion, the PSE is the best sounding exhaust for the 996 cars. The top gear stuff comes no where near it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am finding prices really up and down.

The C4S with the red interior is only 10k more miles then the below but £5,000 ish less!?

Any opinions on this C4S and has anyone delt with this garage?

https://walkersautotech.co.uk/used-bmw-west-sussex/porsche-911-996-c4s-coupe-manual

Thank you,

Phil
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philnotts99 wrote:


I am finding prices really up and down.

The C4S with the red interior is only 10k more miles then the below but £5,000 ish less!?



As S&C has already explained a lot of this will be down to that interior colour.

If you concentrate your search to a more specific mileage range and decide which colour combo you particularly like you'll find the variance in asking prices less confusing.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Phil

Re PSE vs Top Gear:

Switched off (if you have not seen it, the exhaust is switched off (quiet) or on (Loud or sport) with a dashboard switch), the TG is similar in sound to stock or PSE off.

Switched on, the TG is slightly louder, and raspier/rawer sound than PSE. All the additional noise comes above 3,000 rpm, so driving in "on mode" is not anti social/embarrassing! It is just great when you accelerate hard up to the red line.

Ultimately, I would agree that PSE sound slightly better, but for me was not worth the £3-£4k premium.

I would have either in preference to non switchable.

Re the red interior, I am always amazed that it causes such negative reaction. It is a nicer colour in the flesh, so I would recommend going to see it (or one like it), Once you have body coloured seatbacks/central console, grey over mats, and artic pack it does break up the colour.

Everyone who rode in/drove my car loved the colour. I see the same negative comments about the Tan leather, and again would far rather have that than black.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking of selling mine as I'm not using it enough.

Purchased from 911 Virgin 12k miles and 4 years ago when it had a new clutch fitted prior to collection.

Black on black, Manuel, 87k miles, two sets of wheels, original 996 wheels and 18 inch Victor design Innsbruck 18"s in Porsche silver. and all the right bits and a car people know.

I also had the suspension overhauled and the brake calipers refurbished and repainted last year.

Low temp thermostat and run on millers 10w 50 nanotech, RSS engine mounts, centre console delete with GT3 RS Alcantara wheel and shifter.

Bose and hard backed sport seats as well.



Due a service and MOT which I will get done unless someone wants it as is for £20k.

Otherwise I'll get the service done and Mot and chuck it up for £22k in a couple of weeks.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, so yours comes with a spanish waiter? I can see why you woud charge £22,000. That is a rare option! Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just updating the thread.

After viewing and test driving a few C4Ss last weekend i can say for sure i would really like one! I was surprised how they all still felt very solid and fun to drive. PSE is a must!

I have at least narrowed it down to either Seal Grey or Black but looking at all the adverts online, i cant work out if they are over priced or not moving due to the current times! Some have been for sale ages too.

All the ones i viewed had a full service history with most if not all the jobs done in the last 1-3 years.

Phil
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not moving due to s combination of unrealistic price expectation and the current political and economic uncertainities.

Whichever car you decide on, my advice is always to pay the £300 or so for an independent pre purchase inspection with a horescope.
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