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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It sold, I was deliberating over the colour and it had over revs in RR3, it took all day to get the video and it looks better than I thought. Now sold. Snooze you loose as they say frustrated


Just called also....aparantly it was in prep for a month. Had recorded over revs and they had to replace the crank case and tensioners. He also said most of the car had to be painted...all but the roof and spoiler.
Still an ok price with a 2yr OPC warranty.

OPC Newcastle have reduced the Aerokitted Car now to below £60k orgiginally from £65k.
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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....... OPC have a manual 997T 42k miles for 55k with a decent spec and a 2 year warranty, the colour is not my choice. But with negotiation, this price could be reduced also.



Where Question

The cheapest three OPC cars I can find are all Tiptronics and start with a 46k miler for £59k.



Belfast

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/details/details.ipl?md5=6da876c9934d1f5230dd4a51ceee4534&url=uk


Now vanished I suspect was wrongly priced! Further evidence of prices not showing any signs of reducing Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See the cobalt 997.1 is back on with opc Belfast for £56k, the lovely riviera has just had £5k knocked off it to just under £70k a lot of car for the money Cool
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 997.1 manual will be valued for the mezger engine and manual box for those who like manual ( I still stand by my own opinion that nobody could tell the difference between the Mezger or DFA engine ....apart from what hype they read and repeat .....)


Mezger has an unmistakable sound at idle where the DFI unit doesn't.


I must go and have an actual comparison on this as I had a 2008 Turbo ( tip) merger engine and later ( now ) the Turbo S with DFI unit and TBH I can’t remember any discernible typical Mezger clatter going on that I would compare it to ...
I agree the Mezger GT3 engine does it but not so sure about the Turbo as it’s muted by the fact it’s T/charged.....

I’m not saying it’s not the case but I’ll have to revisit the sound .... it will bug me now until I hear them together... damn!!
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2018 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It sold, I was deliberating over the colour and it had over revs in RR3, it took all day to get the video and it looks better than I thought. Now sold. Snooze you loose as they say frustrated


Over Revs in Range 3 is nothing to be concerned about and is considered safe by Porsche.

5 & 6 are where the issues start, as in Porsche will not warranty a car that been in 5 & 6 - however many see the whole Rev Range thing as BS
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See the cobalt 997.1 is back on with opc Belfast for £56k, the lovely riviera has just had £5k knocked off it to just under £70k a lot of car for the money Cool


The Riviera has only had 3 services in 11 years hence the price, I think at 65K it would start to make sense Dont know To be fair looking at the condition that wouldnt over bother me, but will always impact its value.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See the cobalt 997.1 is back on with opc Belfast for £56k, the lovely riviera has just had £5k knocked off it to just under £70k a lot of car for the money Cool


The Riviera has only had 3 services in 11 years hence the price, I think at 65K it would start to make sense Dont know To be fair looking at the condition that wouldnt over bother me, but will always impact its value.



Ah that's why it looks good value shame just a little bit too thin on s/h, great spec/colour though.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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See the cobalt 997.1 is back on with opc Belfast for £56k, the lovely riviera has just had £5k knocked off it to just under £70k a lot of car for the money Cool


The Riviera has only had 3 services in 11 years hence the price, I think at 65K it would start to make sense Dont know To be fair looking at the condition that wouldnt over bother me, but will always impact its value.



Ah that's why it looks good value shame just a little bit too thin on s/h, great spec/colour though.


Yes with the full history it would have flown out the door at probably more.
Serviced 2009 at 13994, 2014 at 18222, and 2017 at 21372. Im amazed any owner would consider a service is not required due to only covering low miles Dont know That 5 year gap is worrying.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello all, I posted earlier in this thread about the offers I received for my MY08 Turbo 997.1 Cab 6MT 41k miles Triple Black - £47 local OPC, £45 we buy any care and £55 from a specialist. I just received my valuation certificate from Porsche Club GB and it came in at £72.5. I take in all the valuable and sensible comments but still, even after factoring everything in buying and selling, the offers I received don’t make sense. Thankfully I’m keeping but it shows a combination of buying at the top of the market mid 2017 (OPC £69k) and softening prices a year later.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rev range thing is complete rubbish. It is hugely unreliable, as can be seen with the many tip cars with over revs reported. I write software for these cars and often see random spikes in the data logs showing silly high rpm which is nothing but noise picked up by the ECU.

Even if the car has been revved hard, as long as the con rod isn't hanging out it will be absolutely fine.

A drop in pricing i think will be good, as it encourages the cars to be used, and used hard, and not bought by speculators and investors who spoil it for the petrol heads that want to drive one of the greatest ever sports cars.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msaif996 wrote:
Hello all, I posted earlier in this thread about the offers I received for my MY08 Turbo 997.1 Cab 6MT 41k miles Triple Black - £47 local OPC, £45 we buy any care and £55 from a specialist. I just received my valuation certificate from Porsche Club GB and it came in at £72.5. I take in all the valuable and sensible comments but still, even after factoring everything in buying and selling, the offers I received don’t make sense. Thankfully I’m keeping but it shows a combination of buying at the top of the market mid 2017 (OPC £69k) and softening prices a year later.


I can’t comment on cabs but I couldn’t replace my car bought last year this year. You simply can’t compare what you paid at an OPC for what you’ve been offered for an immediate sale. £69k to £55k seems about flat, you’ve got to expect to lose 20% in those circumstances.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ishay, that sounds perfectly reasonable. I guess looking at it like that the difference makes sense. The small difference between the bottom end (we buy any car) and the OPC was not expected though as I would expect the OPC to take a longer term view with customers and reflect that in the price accordingly. I suspect they thought I was desperate to sell and tried their luck.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msaif996 wrote:
Hello all, I posted earlier in this thread about the offers I received for my MY08 Turbo 997.1 Cab 6MT 41k miles Triple Black - £47 local OPC, £45 we buy any care and £55 from a specialist. I just received my valuation certificate from Porsche Club GB and it came in at £72.5. I take in all the valuable and sensible comments but still, even after factoring everything in buying and selling, the offers I received don’t make sense. Thankfully I’m keeping but it shows a combination of buying at the top of the market mid 2017 (OPC £69k) and softening prices a year later.


Just for comparisment, I nearly bought a mint high spec 1 owner 2008 997.1 turbo (cab) with 18k miles and FPSH from an Indy back in March 2015 for £48k
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

msaif996 wrote:
Thanks Ishay, that sounds perfectly reasonable. I guess looking at it like that the difference makes sense. The small difference between the bottom end (we buy any car) and the OPC was not expected though as I would expect the OPC to take a longer term view with customers and reflect that in the price accordingly. I suspect they thought I was desperate to sell and tried their luck.


That’s just an indication that the OPC doesn’t particularly want it. It’s 10 years old. They don’t stock many 993s either, doesn’t make them bad. I suspect they’ll keep their intake of 997s for trade in cars
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is sport chrono a must have option and would it hinder resale much without?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is sport chrono a must have option and would it hinder resale much without?


It's considered VERY desirable on any Tiptronic car.

The Sports function can be retro fitted without the dash carbuncle.

Savvy buyers will expect asking price to reflect the cost of having that done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s ‘only’ £800 though is it not (by an OPC too). No big deal in the negociation of a £55-70k car
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bang on mate & hats off to you said like it should be couldn't agree with you anymore Thumb





Mezgerite wrote:
The rev range thing is complete rubbish. It is hugely unreliable, as can be seen with the many tip cars with over revs reported. I write software for these cars and often see random spikes in the data logs showing silly high rpm which is nothing but noise picked up by the ECU.

Even if the car has been revved hard, as long as the con rod isn't hanging out it will be absolutely fine.

A drop in pricing i think will be good, as it encourages the cars to be used, and used hard, and not bought by speculators and investors who spoil it for the petrol heads that want to drive one of the greatest ever sports cars.

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