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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ive not commented on this post as i had nothing to add basically .

I can only assume they were tightened but not to the correct torque .. if finger tight then it would have gone very quickly .

The damage and safety aspect of this if at speed dont bear thinking about.


Im going to hang my head in shame for my trade Sad .


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Can I ask, and you may help me and please do not be offended by my questioning - but what could / would, I expect from a response from you, if it was you that did not tighten them up correctly when fitting my clutch and other work just 2k miles ago??
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...... unless its as simple as a drive shaft falling off.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can I ask, and you may help me and please do not be offended by my questioning - but what could / would, I expect from a response from you, if it was you that did not tighten them up correctly when fitting my clutch and other work just 2k miles ago??




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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone makes mistakes, but where safety is concerned there should be checks in place to mitigate the risk of this sort of problem.

I would expect the indie to do the right thing and cover all the costs of any damage! If they quibble, name and shame!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:
deMort wrote:
Ive not commented on this post as i had nothing to add basically .

I can only assume they were tightened but not to the correct torque .. if finger tight then it would have gone very quickly .

The damage and safety aspect of this if at speed dont bear thinking about.


Im going to hang my head in shame for my trade Sad .


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Can I ask, and you may help me and please do not be offended by my questioning - but what could / would, I expect from a response from you, if it was you that did not tighten them up correctly when fitting my clutch and other work just 2k miles ago??



I think for me .. id probably resign and think carefully about wether i should work for another garage again .

We do make mistakes , im afraid eveyone does at times .. i dont know the full story but this is safety related and yes .. all mechanics are accountable for that .. if someone is injured due to a mistake i make then its me in court not the garage owner .

The joke is i can get 5 years for dischargeing a/c gas to the atmosphere but injury to a person through negilgence is probably a suspended sentence .

My feeling is they were not done up tight enough or 1 / 2 bolts were missed and not tightened .. its easy to get called away when working on a car to do a waiting job and forget what you have done .. its no excuse though .

its possible .. although to be fair i cant really argue the point that they reused the bolts and there was fatigue in the bolts which caused the failure .. kinda clutching at straws i know .. an outside chance .

Not offended at all .. i do my best to answer a question .. its why i come here Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know what to say other than, it's a sobering thought what could've happened.

At least nobody was hurt mate and hope you resolve everything Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DucatiRob wrote:
Everyone makes mistakes, but where safety is concerned there should be checks in place to mitigate the risk of this sort of problem.

I would expect the indie to do the right thing and cover all the costs of any damage! If they quibble, name and shame!


Oh Ill do more than name and shame, I am not the sort of guy that will sleep soundly until I have...... Thumb

Just wanted to plan and be one step ahead, with any unexpected, defensive or void of any responsibility approaches. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deMort wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
deMort wrote:
Ive not commented on this post as i had nothing to add basically .

I can only assume they were tightened but not to the correct torque .. if finger tight then it would have gone very quickly .

The damage and safety aspect of this if at speed dont bear thinking about.


Im going to hang my head in shame for my trade Sad .


EDIT .. Ragpicker .. Thumb


Can I ask, and you may help me and please do not be offended by my questioning - but what could / would, I expect from a response from you, if it was you that did not tighten them up correctly when fitting my clutch and other work just 2k miles ago??



I think for me .. id probably resign and think carefully about wether i should work for another garage again .

We do make mistakes , im afraid eveyone does at times .. i dont know the full story but this is safety related and yes .. all mechanics are accountable for that .. if someone is injured due to a mistake i make then its me in court not the garage owner .

The joke is i can get 5 years for dischargeing a/c gas to the atmosphere but injury to a person through negilgence is probably a suspended sentence .

My feeling is they were not done up tight enough or 1 / 2 bolts were missed and not tightened .. its easy to get called away when working on a car to do a waiting job and forget what you have done .. its no excuse though .

its possible .. although to be fair i cant really argue the point that they reused the bolts and there was fatigue in the bolts which caused the failure .. kinda clutching at straws i know .. an outside chance .

Not offended at all .. i do my best to answer a question .. its why i come here Smile


So many thanks for the response, and I appreciate your help, but, would you except responsibly for the failure Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Went to a very well respected dealer not long ago to look at a car for my friend which he bought, it was a good one, went to check out the usual faults and all seemed in order, one item I went to look at was the tandem pump and I was told had been changed by their " specialist sure enough at a glimpse it was shiny and new.
Car went into OPC last month (Kendal) they pointed out and photographed the bolts used to "secure" the new tandem pump which were non OEM which is fine as they are ***** anyway but were too long and had not bottomed out to secure the pump, it would have took 5 minutes to pop them in a vice and take some material off to shorten them.
Not a pop at the dealer as they used the "specialist"in good faith, but very shoddy work from a "specialist "
Loads of "specialists" about and in my opinion and experience about 50% are expensive Cowboys latching onto the "specialist tag both north and south of the country, in fact I am thinking of more bad ones than good ones
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba I’m not sure why but your one of the guys I listen to on here even though you did insult my 4S once lol don’t worry I got over it and bought a mezger Thumb
Can I ask have you used this so called specialist before and if so I take it you were happy? Why were they not given the chance to put it right, inconvenience or trust?
You don’t come across as someone who would accept anything other than perfection, we all know you spend buckets on your car on preventative maintenance, not to mention rear wings and cosmetics. I wouldn’t want to be the person at the specialist when you turn up to discuss!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad its sorted
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silvermilnec wrote:
Boba I’m not sure why but your one of the guys I listen to on here even though you did insult my 4S once lol don’t worry I got over it and bought a mezger Thumb
Can I ask have you used this so called specialist before and if so I take it you were happy? Why were they not given the chance to put it right, inconvenience or trust?
You don’t come across as someone who would accept anything other than perfection, we all know you spend buckets on your car on preventative maintenance, not to mention rear wings and cosmetics. I wouldn’t want to be the person at the specialist when you turn up to discuss!


Great post, and thanks, I think !! You should not listen to me, Ill get you in trouble!!

I am a petrol head, big time!!

I am a realist, I don't have buckets of cash, I work hard for the things I have. I am very much a perfectionist, some have trouble with me because of my extreme expectations, but that just comes as a result of being working class, and I value my expenditure and what I get in return.

This so called specialist.....hmmm.... Grrrrrr......Its a bit early days, to go full nuke... but ill deal with it and Ill feed back Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they might say a third party sabotaged it, its not like it happened the day after they fitted it, i doubt they will put their hands up, would you if there was that small possibility.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:


I am a realist, I don't have buckets of cash, I work hard for the things I have. I am very much a perfectionist, some have trouble with me because of my extreme expectations, but that just comes as a result of being working class, and I value my expenditure and what I get in return.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kas750 wrote:
Boba fett wrote:


I am a realist, I don't have buckets of cash, I work hard for the things I have. I am very much a perfectionist, some have trouble with me because of my extreme expectations, but that just comes as a result of being working class, and I value my expenditure and what I get in return.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was fitted two years ago so I would think they'll accept no responsibility whatsoever. Good luck though!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was fitted two years ago so I would think they'll accept no responsibility whatsoever. Good luck though!


Quite, and that's the spirit of forums, a diverse, undiluted and informed approach is what I am after, this is of course before I go full retard Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:
silvermilnec wrote:
Boba I’m not sure why but your one of the guys I listen to on here even though you did insult my 4S once lol don’t worry I got over it and bought a mezger Thumb
Can I ask have you used this so called specialist before and if so I take it you were happy? Why were they not given the chance to put it right, inconvenience or trust?
You don’t come across as someone who would accept anything other than perfection, we all know you spend buckets on your car on preventative maintenance, not to mention rear wings and cosmetics. I wouldn’t want to be the person at the specialist when you turn up to discuss!


Great post, and thanks, I think !! You should not listen to me, Ill get you in trouble!!

I am a petrol head, big time!!

I am a realist, I don't have buckets of cash, I work hard for the things I have. I am very much a perfectionist, some have trouble with me because of my extreme expectations, but that just comes as a result of being working class, and I value my expenditure and what I get in return.

This so called specialist.....hmmm.... Grrrrrr......Its a bit early days, to go full nuke... but ill deal with it and Ill feed back Thumb


I did listen, well a bit not totally! I bought the mezger after reading your enthusiasm and I’m glad I did it’s a hell of a car!! Hope it all gets fixed and your back enjoying and taking pictures of your beauty soon Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silvermilnec wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
silvermilnec wrote:
Boba I’m not sure why but your one of the guys I listen to on here even though you did insult my 4S once lol don’t worry I got over it and bought a mezger Thumb
Can I ask have you used this so called specialist before and if so I take it you were happy? Why were they not given the chance to put it right, inconvenience or trust?
You don’t come across as someone who would accept anything other than perfection, we all know you spend buckets on your car on preventative maintenance, not to mention rear wings and cosmetics. I wouldn’t want to be the person at the specialist when you turn up to discuss!


Great post, and thanks, I think !! You should not listen to me, Ill get you in trouble!!

I am a petrol head, big time!!

I am a realist, I don't have buckets of cash, I work hard for the things I have. I am very much a perfectionist, some have trouble with me because of my extreme expectations, but that just comes as a result of being working class, and I value my expenditure and what I get in return.

This so called specialist.....hmmm.... Grrrrrr......Its a bit early days, to go full nuke... but ill deal with it and Ill feed back Thumb


I did listen, well a bit not totally! I bought the mezger after reading your enthusiasm and I’m glad I did it’s a hell of a car!! Hope it all gets fixed and your back enjoying and taking pictures of your beauty soon Thumb


Means a lot mate. Thanks Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

squelch wrote:
It was fitted two years ago so I would think they'll accept no responsibility whatsoever. Good luck though!


+1. No chance.



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