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77szymon
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:53 am    Post subject: My adventure with 911 996 C4S Reply with quote

Hi to all 996 lovers!

I have presented myself 911 996 C4S few weeks ago with tons of issues and since I have read 911uk forum about 996's ( very informative) I have decide to share my ownership with you as my plan is to keep this car roadworthy and most jobs must be done by me therefore hope my topics will help others.

First I have to point, it is not my colour shame but I know I will never be able source one so decide to go for whatever life bring me to my door:)
.... my colour yellow with black leather finished with yellow seat belts stitching painted back seats and console....

My plan for C4S was to go bananas with it more track focused car.... GT2 spoiler, cage, convert to RWD, slim down Laughing , but I have find this car so nice and rewarding I don't think any of that will happen and I will keep it original as family cruiser Very Happy

Little things that surprised me the most:
1. audio... not that I'm in to listen since I prefer music from PSE but hey that BOSE system make me Dance Tap
2. road noise inside, so loud.... no wonder BOSE system came with so many speakers and subwoofer
3. rust... I didn't except to find so much ginger friend on this car.... my 1988 BMW 635csi exhaust never done it looks better,
4. way how car follow my orders worship
5. changing to second gear could ended up losing driving licence even on motorway - sorry smart motorway Hand
6. female attention... I'm guessing it is me Floor

Small jobs to do in near future:

1. oil change,
2. check all water drainage
3. driver heated seat not working red light flashing..... cable hanging loose between backrest and seat
4. engine mounts.... the engine shakes entire car what
5. gear box mount and short shifter
6. clean up interior
7. polish front lights as mine are yellowish
8. polish car
9. change number plate from my S to 911- PD55 HHH but still not sure about it

Big jobs to do:

1. gear box out as I have small leak, that mean I will endup with IMS RMS
2. front bumper screming for new paint and probably hood will follow, way too many stonechips to cover up
3. N/S rear wheel arch rust
4. leaking exhoust
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1999 BMW e36 328i Cabrio - still not finished project.....
2011 Mercedes S350L
2004 Audi a2 1.4 tdi - I can't stress enough how good these cars are
2012 Mercedes C220 cdi Estate AMG Sport Plus Pack - wife

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toddy2
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome! Sound nice any photos?

Look forward to seeing how you get on with those issues, as I have the same sling a longer list.

As for female attention - must be you as I don't get any Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations on car , look forward to the updates, it will be a never ending list Very Happy
 
  
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alex yates
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Szymon mate - I spotted your car on the internet the other night where it was for sale - you got an absolute bargain if you ask me and the car looks amazing!!!

The jobs you talk about are just wear and tear with age and I didn't see anything too serious to worry about looking at it last week. When buying these cars 'blind' like you did, you're always going to get something that has a few little projects but the cost of parts on these things and how easy it is to do makes it a great buy and also the reward for making it mint yourself is great!!

1st job though - check out your thermostat and and if not already fit - get a Low Temperature thermostat. There's plenty to read about on here about bore scoring and reducing the risk of your car getting it. Thumb

Just for other members to see how poor condition your car is in (not) Grin , here are the photos I took of it in Clitheroe the other week:






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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for your oil leak - this is very very common on these cars Szymon. Mine was the same when I bought it. If it is only very small (no puddle on the drive) then it will not be doing the car any harm. Most owners (self included) wait until it needs a new clutch and then fix the problem then. Usually RMS but with mine it was the IMS cover plate leaking. When we fixed this we also removed the outer seal from the bearing so that fresh engine oil would lubricate it and also checked that it was still in mint condition.

Here was my thread on it. Don't bother reading past page 1:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=108552
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget about the number plate. You can’t stick that on a 996.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I recognised that reg. plate - it's almost identical to Osh's plate. He's also AE53 OY*
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77szymon
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Alex for info and awesome pictures as I haven't got any nice one YET!!
Alex temp on dashboard is always below 80 but I will check thermostat.

Magic919 do you think it will be too much POSSHHH on 911

Today on way back from York I have burn a bit clutch, smell and blue smoke Damn , M1 to join M62 short tunnels on second one I decide to listen to engine revs, on last rev engage gear to quick nooo luckily apart some smoke and smell nothing happened lesson learned, all this happened as I was still very excited after Lamborghini Thrill Experience, 6 laps in Gallardo was a great fun, so much quicker then my 996 Drive I have to check my wife recordings and if any good I will drop on yt.

My option list and history:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porsche 911 996 C4S driver heated seat problem solved.

Job took me with removing passenger seat to clean floor, around 2h difficulty 1of5.

FIRST disconnect battery!!!!

I have removed seat and dismantle backrest. I think someone did try to repair it before but didn't know where wires are on backrest so decide to leave it.

To find wires I have separated white fabric from foam, big piece of it as I was struggle to find one wire on left side, after soldering I have apply glue in spray between fabric and foam put it all back together and enjoy nice warm seat!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can’t put a 55 plate on a 53 car as it would make it look newer, which is not permitted.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

77szymon wrote:
Porsche 911 996 C4S driver heated seat problem solved.

Job took me with removing passenger seat to clean floor, around 2h difficulty 1of5.

FIRST disconnect battery!!!!

I have removed seat and dismantle backrest. I think someone did try to repair it before but didn't know where wires are on backrest so decide to leave it.

To find wires I have separated white fabric from foam, big piece of it as I was struggle to find one wire on left side, after soldering I have apply glue in spray between fabric and foam put it all back together and enjoy nice warm seat!!!!


Don't forget to put the key into position two before disconnecting the battery or you'll have a ringing ear from the alarm!

Looks like a nice car though, congrats.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="alex yates"1st job though - check out your thermostat and and if not already fit - get a Low Temperature thermostat. There's plenty to read about on here about bore scoring and reducing the risk of your car getting it. Thumb [/quote]

Spot on advice. As a new owner of a 996 C4S I had a LTT fitted along with full coolant flush (wasn't clear when last done and what type of mixture) as a preventative measure for the future.

I noticed immediately a change my temp gauge behaviour. It sat in the same place before and never really moved. It now sits a mm further to the left and I can hear the fans coming on far sooner and often. Even coming off the motorway the fans kick in on the slip road... Nice to know it's all doing its job properly.

Protecting the engines now they're older is good mitigation.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My engine shakes the car at idle too - wobbles the pass seat if no one is in it.
Engine mounts didn't help.

I think it's probably 'character'
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: My adventure with 911 996 C4S Reply with quote

77szymon wrote:
Hi to all 996 lovers!

First I have to point, it is not my colour shame but I know I will never be able source one so decide to go for whatever life bring me to my door:)
.... my colour yellow with black leather finished with yellow seat belts stitching painted back seats and console....


Welcome brother Friends

I too love the C4S in SY but you're in good company mate - Basalt is still awesome Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome buddy Thumb

Owning a 4S is one he'll of a ride lol
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Smile enjoy your adventures in the C4S.. such a great Porsche!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
As for your oil leak - this is very very common on these cars Szymon. Mine was the same when I bought it. If it is only very small (no puddle on the drive) then it will not be doing the car any harm. Most owners (self included) wait until it needs a new clutch and then fix the problem then. Usually RMS but with mine it was the IMS cover plate leaking. When we fixed this we also removed the outer seal from the bearing so that fresh engine oil would lubricate it and also checked that it was still in mint condition.

Here was my thread on it. Don't bother reading past page 1:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=108552


Surprising Szymon's car has an oil leak, seeing as it had new RMS along with the clutch change in Dec 16... annoying.

I did the headlights on mine... quite scary sanding off the finish, I wondered what I was doing! Came up brilliantly though, makes such a difference.

Looks a great car anyway, good to see you getting stuck in with some jobs! Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for warm welcome!!

C4-STORM - yes I like colour of my Porsche more and more every time I'm look on it Thumbs Up

skinny_monkey - have you changed gearbox mount?

BK911 - indeed, I have learned about it 2 seconds after disconnected battery and it is loud

Robertb - RMS done with clutch now car is on 109K leak is only visible on car nothing dropping (car was parked in garage for 4 days nothing on floor) I read about leaks could be IMS seal RMS or gearbox and if it is RMS......

Now to add some excitement I drain oil yesterday and find some tiny flakes in oil filter (pictures to follow) not much, I can't find magnet to check if it is aluminium or metal, I will take off oil pan today, can I use RTV silicon to put it back together I got FAI RTV silicon?

Also since I will take off oil pan maybe I should go for x51 oil pan I'm planning to take my car to race track few times Question
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think these are aluminium difficult to take it out of filter and will not stick to magnet.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil pan without any metal flakes but with these strange looking soft rubber rubbish also pan is covered with micro cracks.
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