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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:21 am    Post subject: what's wrong with this 991 GT3? Reply with quote

Folks,

I'm considering selling my 993 to get into a gen 1 991 GT3 later this year, and as such trying to get a feel for the market. Max budget prob around £110k so a higher mileage clubsport like this looks just the ticket:

http://www.atpcars.co.uk/inventory/porsche-911-991-gt3/





Not sure how new to the market it is, but any thoughts on why it hasn't been snapped up?

- high mileage
- engine rebuilt
- third party dealer so cannot be warrantied by Porsche? (excluding 10 year engine coverage)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't touch it unless its got full OPC warranty for 10 years as so many of these have engine issues and I dread to think how much a rebuild would be!!

even though its been rebuilt it does not mean sheet....mate of mine has a 64 plate cars, full OPC support and warranty and he is on his 4th engine and I understand there is a certain letter like F or G engine that you want. all the issues to date have been sorted but who knows?

has he been unlucky? maybe but these cars should never have done this in the first place!!

I mean an engine that revs to 9k is something else and only ever for racing and then rebuilt after a few races or a season.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought all engines have blanket 10 year engine warranty from Porsche, irrelevant of whether the car someone has was last bought from Porsche, privately or third party dealer?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this 991 GT3? Reply with quote

badlands wrote:
Not sure how new to the market it is, but any thoughts on why it hasn't been snapped up?


Seems a good price for a CS really (cheapest CS with Porsche is currently £128,490 albeit with only 6300 miles). I've seen this one advertised for a while now (possibly 6 weeks or so). Seems odd as the CS's seem to sell pretty quickly.

badlands wrote:

- high mileage
- engine rebuilt
- third party dealer so cannot be warrantied by Porsche? (excluding 10 year engine coverage)


It states "Documented Engine Recall Campaign Completed including Certificate issued by Porsche UK" so should now be covered by the 10 year warranty from date of reg - obviously need to confirm with Porsche before parting with money.

If you're serious, confirm the 10 year warranty with Porsche and see if the vendor will put it through the 111 point check as a starter....
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

v helpful advice: thank you
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am not sure on the 10 year warranty as if the OPC extended warranty expired and dealer or previous owner did not renew then it would need to go back for inspection to get it put back on and who knows how much that would be...and Porsche can still say no and then you have a problem

as Squelch said check with porsche on the 10 year OPC gig. if not then get the dealer to send it to them and put it on.

then you have piece of mind and you are into a nice clubbie.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this 991 GT3? Reply with quote

badlands wrote:
what's wrong with this 991 GT3?


What's wrong with it Question

It's not parked in my garage, that's what! Floor

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

another thing wrong with it....its been used too. not sat in a garage by some speculator
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLW73 wrote:
i am not sure on the 10 year warranty as if the OPC extended warranty expired and dealer or previous owner did not renew then it would need to go back for inspection to get it put back on and who knows how much that would be...and Porsche can still say no and then you have a problem

as Squelch said check with porsche on the 10 year OPC gig. if not then get the dealer to send it to them and put it on.

then you have piece of mind and you are into a nice clubbie.


Now this sounds like a solid plan. *goes to remortgage calculator*
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't consider a 991 GT3 unless it had full OPC service history and warranty.

If you are purchasing outside the OPC network then a 111 point check is an absolute must.

If you can negotiate the 111 point check and a 2-year OPC warranty (circa 2.5K) then it's a great deal!!

Failing that, be prepared to stump up the cost for the 111 point check and warranty. You need to consider the biennial renewal as part of the ongoing maintenance.

IMHO the car is still a good price at 116.5K with 2 year OPC warranty.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sound advice - thanks.

My question would be: disregarding who pays for the 111 check, if various things that need fixing for the car to be OPC warrantied, do I or the dealer pay for those?

Suppose that's just another negotiating point
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badlands wrote:
Suppose that's just another negotiating point


Yep, the car is advertised without defect or anything that would detract from the value. Therefore, anything untoward should be repaired/replaced prior to sale. Moreover, any corrective work would need to be completed by the OPC so that the warranty can be issued.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how the engine guarantee works but for the car to get an OPC warranty you need have owned it for 90 days unless you're buying privately and can get an existing warranty transferred.

If buying from a dealer they are liable in the meantime.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

having availed myself of the 10 year warranty program, I can state that the OPC did not use my 'bought' warranty - it was replaced under the 10 year blanket replacement policy.
this is the exact text (in email ) from Porsche when I queried it with PCGB, and finally got a response.

With regards to your Porsche GT3 and the 10 year warranty, I can confirm that the warranty on internal engine components will last for ten years as from the new vehicle delivery date, or until the total mileage is 194,000 kilometres or 120,000 miles, depending on which comes first.

I appreciate your concern that you were not notified of the warranty. Please be assured that there was no intention to cause you any frustration. Porsche Centre Cambridge are aware of all the required information to claim under the warranty and they will look after you throughout.

The car in the ad looks pretty good value;
only expensive bits missing are the axle lift & PCCB, but neither are on everyones wish list.
The recall campaign was to replace the 'engine bursting into flames' option Smile
only just up the road from me... might take a drive out tomorrow for a look see
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"194,000 kilometres or 120,000 miles, depending on which comes first. "

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would never consider a 991.1 GT3 even if they put a 20 year warranty on that thing.

The engine top end it just a bad design, rear wheel steering wears out quickly and those actuators are out of stock and who knows what. I don't want to know how long that PDK holds up.... it is a closed unit (not serviceable). If you can stretch to a 991.2.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd maybe consider a 997 GT3 (either gen) but opinion seems to be they're less of an all-rounder for both street & track - especially with 2nd gear maxing out so high (84mph).

That said I've not yet driven any GT3.

At least in the first few years of ownership, majority of driving would be weekend/nighttime drives with only 2 or 3 track days a year. Scared to bin the 993 on track tbh with no safety net tech + safety concerns with no cage etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mm450exc wrote:
I would never consider a 991.1 GT3 even if they put a 20 year warranty on that thing.

The engine top end it just a bad design, rear wheel steering wears out quickly and those actuators are out of stock and who knows what. I don't want to know how long that PDK holds up.... it is a closed unit (not serviceable). If you can stretch to a 991.2.


Good points, does the 991.2 fix all of those issues?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

badlands wrote:
I'd maybe consider a 997 GT3 (either gen) but opinion seems to be they're less of an all-rounder for both street & track - especially with 2nd gear maxing out so high (84mph).

That said I've not yet driven any GT3.

At least in the first few years of ownership, majority of driving would be weekend/nighttime drives with only 2 or 3 track days a year. Scared to bin the 993 on track tbh with no safety net tech + safety concerns with no cage etc.
What I did, before I took the GT3 plunge, was book a session at PEC Silverstone.

At maximum, beans on toast for dinner every night, man-maths stretch, my budget could have extended to either 997.2 GT3, or 991.1 GT3. IN my heart, for me, I did feel the 997 was going to be 'the one', but nonetheless, I did not want to switch cars and then start thinking of another switch soon after, as I was after a keeper.

I really liked the 991.1 GT3, a lot, but I am happy owning a 997.1 GT3. You may be different of course, and that's totally understandable. IMHO, there is no 'wrong' answer. Whatever, it's a very big financial commitment, so try before you buy is never a bad policy. I believe the PEC may still have 997 GT3s as well as 991.

On the subject of the 997 gearing, it is something some people chose to resolve with a revised diff. This can also be combined with revised LSD locking ratios too, which apparently save the rear brakes from doing so much work.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly the same headspace I'm in, and great shout to book in at PEC with both cars. It's funny how fixated you can get with spec & opinions etc through research but then drive the things and all that quickly goes out the window as your heart quickly decides what's right for you! then the wallet follows Smile
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