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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Porsche 911 cat c Reply with quote

Hi guys, I’m new to the forum. I work in a garage in Cornwall and we look after a lot of Porches. I have a customer with a 997 2004 3.6 careras 2 in great condition, 65k and full Porsche history upto the last which we have done. He is looking to sell it and it’s fairly cheap. He thought it was a cat d but turns out to be a cat c. We have checked over the car and it has been repaired to an excellent standard. It’s a cheap car from what I can see looking at prices of others but should I be put off by it and how much would it put off others when I come to resell? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Martyn
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome

It all hinges on the price. If its a car to use, then fine, just bear in mind it will always be cat C recorded, so will not sell as easily as a car without a story, and always at a substantial discount.

I would want to know more about why it was written off... what was the accident damage?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knock a third off what you'd value a straight one at. Does Cat C have to be inspected after repairs completed and I think if so comes with a certificate?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My daily was made a cat c. To put it back on the road all that was required was a fresh mot once the repairs were done
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People say they are hard to move on, which they will be if you price it too high. But I see plenty of Cat cars move quickly in the classifieds because people usually know they can't ask for too much. I have friends who almost only buy Cat cars, enjoy them, then eventually move them on (neither particularly fast or slow, just when they are ready). Never known them hang around unusually long because they are just priced to sell.

There'll always be someone willing to take the cheapest car in the market on for the opportunity to try one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to 911uk marty'

If you can get it for c£15k it'd be a bargain.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much for the replies guys put my mind at ease a bit as I really still would love to have the car. I have managed to get him to part with it for 14k does that sound like a good price??
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The car was repaired a few years ago, had fairly extensive accident damage I would imagine as it would have been worth a lot at the time. As I say it seems to be a very good repair as you wouldn’t tell looking over it. Again thanks so much for the advice everyone!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would be listed about £23k (retail) straight, so yeah, not bad
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi martyn and welcome. You're in the right place here and there are plenty of helpful folk around who know more about these cars than most Porsche centres Thumb

14 k to get into a 997 sounds a bargain if it's been properly repaired. Plus you have personally worked on it, which is a bonus.

Have you driven it? What colour and goodies does it have? Wheels etc.

These are important for us 997 owners but you'll get to know that in due course Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome

Sounds like a good little buy!

If you're in the mechanic side of the motor trade you'll know a good car when you see one. You've got to put some pics up though - dems the rules!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spec we need spec Thumb get it bought, keep coming back to the forum it’s a great place to find out about these cars. Most people round here will be jealous of your cheap find worship
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great buy at £14k. Keep it, use it.

A Cat C will of had to of been inspected then signed off officially that the work is done correctly, otherwise it can't be put back on the road. Look at this lot as they seem to be the people who handle it as far as HPI is concerned.

https://www.autolign.co.uk/

Really isn't a problem, if it's been done correctly, which if he has been driving it it really should of been. nice that you know the car, and probably the cheapest 997 out there. Put a private plate on it for £600, annoy the neighbors when you start driving a 911 and have them wondering which bank you've robbed!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pay another 9 and have a proper one,

the forces at work in a bang are unbelievable, when chassis's get bent the metal never goes back properly, i dont care what anybody says, everybody plays it down when they are selling one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you've checked it out and its straight then go for it. I'd like to see pics of the damage and reciepts for the repair.

The only people who think recorded cars don't sell is people who wouldn't buy one.

They do sell and at about 20% below equivalent.

At £14k you won't lose any money on it. I would go for it, in fact can I have his details....?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CAT C check is a VIC check only - thats an identity check.

They check the serial number of major components and that they have not been tampered with.

They do not check the quality of the repair or anything.

You just need VIC check and an MOT to put a cat-c back on the road.

Autolign can check the car and remove the recorded marker on HPI for £££££. It will still show on a full history check though as being on and then removed, so a bit pointless.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think a cat d or n in the new designation is far enough.
Cat c is a bridge too far for me.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in the old system cat c or cat d was purely financial based on the whole claim.

So you can get minor damage and cat c if theres hire car charges etc. Or it could be fairly major damage. I had a cat c vw corrado that just had a knife slashed interior.

The key is knowing what the damage was for sure and not believing the tall tales of the seller without evidence.....

the new system is much better in that it gives you an idea of the damage.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you have seen the full-range of opinions on here....some will never touch it, others will buy one (usually with appropriate checks etc). If honest, not sure which camp I fall into - originally I would have been in the 'never-touch' camp, but listening to people on forums who bought completely safe Cat cars (such as Wasz's Corrado), makes me think twice

Personally, if this allows you to to get into Porsche ownership when you wouldnt otherwise (i.e. you dont have the extra cash) and you have satisfied yourself with regard to the quality of the repairs - then it seems a reasonable buy. As long as you intend to price it substantially cheaper than non-CAT cars at the time of resale, it seems to make sense financially.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palladium wrote:
pay another 9 and have a proper one,

the forces at work in a bang are unbelievable, when chassis's get bent the metal never goes back properly, i dont care what anybody says, everybody plays it down when they are selling one.


If the structural chassis was bent then it would be scrap, if the chassis is straight and has been properly checked then it would be fine!

I'd say £15k is borderline, anything less and it starts to look like nice cheap 911 and if you're a mechanic the I'm sure you could save ££s in servicing and maintenance!
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