What future for 996 & 997 Turbos?

westcoastclassic · 18 Feb 2018

Given that all new 911s are now turbocharged aside the GT cars, I have to ask say in 5-6 years time when the values of them drop will anyone bother with 6 & 7Ts?
It might sound silly but consider that you in those years to come you will be able to buy a 991 C4S with a turbo engine for maybe 40-50k, of course the newest latest greatest Turbo model- the full fat version and will always be King and is always priced high.
Given the option yourself 5 year's ago if offered both, what would you buy?
Will the allure of the Mezger engine and manual transmission where fitted keep the demand as strong?
I have never driven a 991 of any nature, currently outwith what I have to spend on a toy, they look incredible and given the choice for same money I might jump in, which just now is not an option....

Nastymatt · 18 Feb 2018

I have driven a 991 na (and I obviously have a 996t) and they are chalk and cheese. Before you even drive the 991 you will realise how much more room there is in the cabin - you are not really intimate with your passengers! Don't get me wrong I am not saying the 991 is a big car.

Where will they go? My guess is each generation of a 911 finds it's own niche and market. The 996t to me has a lot feel and feedback, I know it has stability control but it's not as good as the 991 so you feel like you are more responsible for what happens. I drove the 991 round the (infield tight) handling circuit at Silverstone trying to lose it and literally could not, the stability is just unbelievable.

Cards on the table.. the 991 shape has really grown on me, mate has a 991t and I think that is the car that will get me out of the 996t - I always thought it would be a 997t but if I ever do enough miles to justify buying a new (to me) car then I think it will be a 991t.

G2 · 18 Feb 2018

Some will go up, some will go down...all will go like $hit off a shovel if driven :thumb:

Mine has been trying to catch the horizon today. Nearly got it :grin:

ragpicker · 18 Feb 2018

As has been said, chalk and cheese, and not the better for it.

I drove a 991.2 a while ago and it did nothing for me, I'd rather have a 986.. and I do!

Here it is http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=121509&highlight=991++review

T8 · 18 Feb 2018

westcoastclassic said:
Given that all new 911s are now turbocharged aside the GT cars, I have to ask say in 5-6 years time when the values of them drop will anyone bother with 6 & 7Ts?

It might sound silly but consider that you in those years to come you will be able to buy a 991 C4S with a turbo engine for maybe 40-50k, of course the newest latest greatest Turbo model- the full fat version and will always be King and is always priced high.

The point that your scenario misses is that whilst the 991.2 Carrera does have turbochargers it is not a 'Porsche turbo'.

The 'newest latest greatest turbo model' is the current king but it's father, grandfather, great grandfather etc etc were kings in their time and will always be revered for that.

911TEL · 19 Feb 2018

T8 said:
westcoastclassic said:

Given that all new 911s are now turbocharged aside the GT cars, I have to ask say in 5-6 years time when the values of them drop will anyone bother with 6 & 7Ts?

It might sound silly but consider that you in those years to come you will be able to buy a 991 C4S with a turbo engine for maybe 40-50k, of course the newest latest greatest Turbo model- the full fat version and will always be King and is always priced high.

Click to expand...

The point that your scenario misses is that whilst the 991.2 Carrera does have turbochargers it is not a 'Porsche turbo'.

The 'newest latest greatest turbo model' is the current king but it's father, grandfather, great grandfather etc etc were kings in their time and will always be revered for that.

+1

that is ' The Point' right there ...... the mainstream cars are turbocharged Carreras BUT they are not THE Porsche Turbo of its respective day .......

The lineage will move on but the pedigree is the same .......

'All Porches are equal , but some are more Equal than others ......'

isysman · 19 Feb 2018

When I see a 993 Turbo or a 964 Turbo or a 930 Turbo they are no less special than when they were king of the hill. And some will say they are more special. I'll probably still have mine if I can still afford to keep it I need 20 years and I'm sure I'll get the same pleasure I do now.

plynchy · 19 Feb 2018

The way car development is going, I wonder if those cars that run purely on fossil fuels will be cherished in the same way that, say, air cooled cars are now?

Re 96/97 turbos, they'll continue to rise in value to such an extent that I'll retire in 5 years instead of 20.

Possibly.

westcoastclassic · 19 Feb 2018

911TEL said:
T8 said:

westcoastclassic said:

Given that all new 911s are now turbocharged aside the GT cars, I have to ask say in 5-6 years time when the values of them drop will anyone bother with 6 & 7Ts?

It might sound silly but consider that you in those years to come you will be able to buy a 991 C4S with a turbo engine for maybe 40-50k, of course the newest latest greatest Turbo model- the full fat version and will always be King and is always priced high.

Click to expand...

The point that your scenario misses is that whilst the 991.2 Carrera does have turbochargers it is not a 'Porsche turbo'.

The 'newest latest greatest turbo model' is the current king but it's father, grandfather, great grandfather etc etc were kings in their time and will always be revered for that.

Click to expand...

+1

that is ' The Point' right there ...... the mainstream cars are turbocharged Carreras BUT they are not THE Porsche Turbo of its respective day .......

The lineage will move on but the pedigree is the same .......

'All Porches are equal , but some are more Equal than others ......'

Yes agree on the Turbo hierarchy thing of course, I am a Turbo owner.
Power wise a 991 C4s is about the same as a standard 996t, it can be argued looks better in comparison, so mow many potential buyers will this sway if and when the prices ever align.
If you line both of them up there is no contest in looks IMO. Now the aspirational Porsche buyer will have several Porsches with turbocharged engines to choose from, albeit different experiences to drive.
When you have more options on the table demand goes down. Its merely a thought, as too many people feel that that their Turbo cars will go through the roof in value like the air cooled did before it. I feel that given time we will have more and more options which of course is good thing? Surely?

I really dont like what they have done with the Turbo thing across the board, its diluted everything again for anyone other than aficionado's extremely difficult to understand. Unless you are really up on all the model and series numbers its probaly the most confusing run of numbers in any model history.

Boba fett · 19 Feb 2018

Interesting point, my take is that the current batch of all Turbo Porsches (except the full fat versions) have been designed to act like NA cars. Something a remap will sought no doubt.

But none have a full dry sump race derived engine :thumb:

I think they also have Carrera on the log book :thumb:

911TEL · 19 Feb 2018

westcoastclassic said:
911TEL said:

T8 said:

westcoastclassic said:

Given that all new 911s are now turbocharged aside the GT cars, I have to ask say in 5-6 years time when the values of them drop will anyone bother with 6 & 7Ts?

It might sound silly but consider that you in those years to come you will be able to buy a 991 C4S with a turbo engine for maybe 40-50k, of course the newest latest greatest Turbo model- the full fat version and will always be King and is always priced high.

Click to expand...

The point that your scenario misses is that whilst the 991.2 Carrera does have turbochargers it is not a 'Porsche turbo'.

The 'newest latest greatest turbo model' is the current king but it's father, grandfather, great grandfather etc etc were kings in their time and will always be revered for that.

Click to expand...

+1

that is ' The Point' right there ...... the mainstream cars are turbocharged Carreras BUT they are not THE Porsche Turbo of its respective day .......

The lineage will move on but the pedigree is the same .......

'All Porches are equal , but some are more Equal than others ......'

Click to expand...

Yes agree on the Turbo hierarchy thing of course, I am a Turbo owner.
Power wise a 991 C4s is about the same as a standard 996t, it can be argued looks better in comparison, so mow many potential buyers will this sway if and when the prices ever align.
If you line both of them up there is no contest in looks IMO. Now the aspirational Porsche buyer will have several Porsches with turbocharged engines to choose from, albeit different experiences to drive.
When you have more options on the table demand goes down. Its merely a thought, as too many people feel that that their Turbo cars will go through the roof in value like the air cooled did before it. I feel that given time we will have more and more options which of course is good thing? Surely?

I really dont like what they have done with the Turbo thing across the board, its diluted everything again for anyone other than aficionado's extremely difficult to understand. Unless you are really up on all the model and series numbers its probaly the most confusing run of numbers in any model history.

I agree, I think it's a bit of an own goal by Porsche but it's the Euro regs that is driving these changes , I'm sure that Porsche would have preferred to maintain more n/a models in their inventory but emissions levels are king ( by hook or by crook it would seem)

Turbo values are already seeing the upturn with some specialists already trying to bump them up further
Look at Hexagon Classics and you will not doubt why you become protective of your car ....!

I think in many ways , it is spoiling the experience for many ....

Magic919 · 19 Feb 2018

In 5 years time there won't be a 991 Gen 2 C4S selling for £40-50k based on the last 5 years.

Look at the Macan range, there's one Turbo model and all the rest have one or more turbo chargers. No confusion there.

Phil 997 · 19 Feb 2018

A/ The 991.2 3ltr turbo as other have said is not a 911 turbo infact the 991.2 is barely a 911 in any guize .
B/ As these cars get bigger and softer there will be a huge desire for the 996 and 997 as they are the last of the 911 sports car before the 911 tourer came along.
C/ I honestly can see in the not too distant future 991.2 cars cheaper than 991.1 and 997.2 cars .
D/ If the pics of the 992 are anything to go by this will all happen even sooner

Porsche seem to have abandoned the 911 to morf into a tourer and seem happy that the cayman will be the brands sports car coupe .

I am not sure where the 991.1 will sit as its the cross over model it has a proper 911 engine but has got the tourer feel to it. This will either make it highly desirable or not only time will tell.

The 991.1 for me is the possible next car for me but I am still not in love with them YET but as more mods become available and we can get an aggressive look to it and harden the soft lines up I might grow to love it. but just can't ever see myself in the 3Ltr vaccum cleaner 991.2

re the turbo, the mezger will always be highly regarded as a race derived engine. and sticking a vaccum cleaner on a 3 ltr engine doesnt make it a modern 911 turbo even if its got an iconic badge on the bonnet.
:grin: :thumb:

New997buyer · 19 Feb 2018

The brand will keep growing, maintain its prestige status, and Porsche will continue to succeed in exploiting every niche available.

The 'turbo' range will continue to be prized.

And as each generation matures it'll reach the bottom of the depreciation curve before an upswing in value. This will then settle at a level commensurate with initial desirability and overall availability.

And forums will be filled with naysayers and doomsayers spouting how what came before was the 'last of' and the 'best of'.

In other words what'll change? Nothing. :what: :thumbs:

Phil 997 · 19 Feb 2018

New997buyer said:
The brand will keep growing, maintain its prestige status, and Porsche will continue to succeed in exploiting every niche available.

The 'turbo' range will continue to be prized.

And as each generation matures it'll reach the bottom of the depreciation curve before an upswing in value. This will then settle at a level commensurate with initial desirability and overall availability.

And forums will be filled with naysayers and doomsayers spouting how what came before was the 'last of' and the 'best of'.

In other words what'll change? Nothing. :what: :thumbs:

Probably true Paul but then what would we have to talk about :floor: :floor:

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