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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject: Word of warning... 'Modern Classic Car Co' ROGUE TRADER Reply with quote

Good morning folks

I am new here and in the market for a 996. I came across these chaps in Scotland and specifically this car:

http://themodernclassiccarco.com/sales/996carrera4/994carrera4.html

Has anyone used these chaps to purchase from? Can anyone recommend someone to do a PPI on the above car?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy posts under the username The Red Devil on PH, he's raised a few eyebrows over there, he has a somewhat different approach to selling cars it seems.

An example thread that he contributed to..

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1597538&r=33603999&hm=157538&mid=157538#33603999
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jibaro wrote:
The guy posts under the username The Red Devil on PH, he's raised a few eyebrows over there, he has a somewhat different approach to selling cars it seems.

An example thread that he contributed to..

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1597538&r=33603999&hm=157538&mid=157538#33603999


Not sure why, when I read his posts the tone of voice I gave him was that of Alan Sugar. Question

Looks like a nice car.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the Red Devil is someone I could name from personal experience (Mods will probably prefer that I do this offline), who has run a succession of one-man setups, latterly specialising in used Porsches.

The photography is good, always in the same location (grounds of a community building - church/hall? - somewhere in the Trossachs) to which I understand he has privileged access. His companies seem to last a couple of years or so, then disappear and re-emerge under a new name.

He had some bad press a few years ago when operating as Buchanan Motor Company, and I believe he was in partnership with Stuart Paterson (SP Autobahn in Stirling) but parted in acrimonious circumstances. I came close to buying a 3.2 Targa from his previous company, the Throttle Shop, a couple of years ago.

The description and pics (same location) were superb but I had a slight niggle about provenance. I arranged a PPI by Glasgow OPC (I would have preferred SP Autobahn for this but he refused to take it there), and the report on this raised far too many serious questions and problems for my liking. On the strength of this I withdrew my interest, at which point the seller became quite unpleasant and aggressive. Glad I walked away from that one!

I'm an exiled Scot these days so perhaps a local resident can confirm the reputations of the local specialists for PPI are still good - SP Autobahn, George Morrison (Rutherglen), Motortune (Shotts).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jibaro wrote:
The guy posts under the username The Red Devil on PH, he's raised a few eyebrows over there, he has a somewhat different approach to selling cars it seems.

An example thread that he contributed to..

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1597538&r=33603999&hm=157538&mid=157538#33603999


Wow. Thats some reading.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flying_scotsman wrote:
I suspect the Red Devil is someone I could name from personal experience (Mods will probably prefer that I do this offline), who has run a succession of one-man setups, latterly specialising in used Porsches.

The photography is good, always in the same location (grounds of a community building - church/hall? - somewhere in the Trossachs) to which I understand he has privileged access. His companies seem to last a couple of years or so, then disappear and re-emerge under a new name.

He had some bad press a few years ago when operating as Buchanan Motor Company, and I believe he was in partnership with Stuart Paterson (SP Autobahn in Stirling) but parted in acrimonious circumstances. I came close to buying a 3.2 Targa from his previous company, the Throttle Shop, a couple of years ago.

The description and pics (same location) were superb but I had a slight niggle about provenance. I arranged a PPI by Glasgow OPC (I would have preferred SP Autobahn for this but he refused to take it there), and the report on this raised far too many serious questions and problems for my liking. On the strength of this I withdrew my interest, at which point the seller became quite unpleasant and aggressive. Glad I walked away from that one!

I'm an exiled Scot these days so perhaps a local resident can confirm the reputations of the local specialists for PPI are still good - SP Autobahn, George Morrison (Rutherglen), Motortune (Shotts).


Yes thats him

I've dealt with him a few times (sold him 2 bought 2) and he's always been ok with me although the last one was probably about 4 years ago. He's a confident individual thats for sure but as exiled yorkshireman i've eaten bigger for breakfast! Grin

The PH thread is quite odd. Pictures taken in same place as Border Reivers it would appear. I know they are 2 brothers same surname now trading as modern classic car co
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I simply wish that the original advert had some more pictures of the car.


It would be good if it also mentioned the engine size. Assuming 3.4 for year. Looks clean, but I bought a 60,000 mile 3.4 Carrera 4 for £12k late last year, so might want to look for a lower mileage one.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flying_scotsman wrote:
I suspect the Red Devil is someone I could name from personal experience (Mods will probably prefer that I do this offline), who has run a succession of one-man setups, latterly specialising in used Porsches.

The photography is good, always in the same location (grounds of a community building - church/hall? - somewhere in the Trossachs) to which I understand he has privileged access. His companies seem to last a couple of years or so, then disappear and re-emerge under a new name.

He had some bad press a few years ago when operating as Buchanan Motor Company, and I believe he was in partnership with Stuart Paterson (SP Autobahn in Stirling) but parted in acrimonious circumstances. I came close to buying a 3.2 Targa from his previous company, the Throttle Shop, a couple of years ago.

The description and pics (same location) were superb but I had a slight niggle about provenance. I arranged a PPI by Glasgow OPC (I would have preferred SP Autobahn for this but he refused to take it there), and the report on this raised far too many serious questions and problems for my liking. On the strength of this I withdrew my interest, at which point the seller became quite unpleasant and aggressive. Glad I walked away from that one!

I'm an exiled Scot these days so perhaps a local resident can confirm the reputations of the local specialists for PPI are still good - SP Autobahn, George Morrison (Rutherglen), Motortune (Shotts).


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy with your eyes open and do not believe a word they tell you.

Do your own diligence, get an independent PPI carried out, including bores scoped, HPI & inspect the car in detail, inspect the paperwork in detail and make sanity checks to ensure the service history is correct, call the garages, try and speak to previous owners and get all of the information you require before providing a deposit or concluding a sale.

Provided you do all of the above you will at least know what your buying.

Ultimately little is insurmountable when it comes to cars, it all comes down to money.

The pair of brothers that run the business have a reputation, that is not to say that all the cars they sell are bad, just do your diligence.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rabbitstew wrote:
Jibaro wrote:
The guy posts under the username The Red Devil on PH, he's raised a few eyebrows over there, he has a somewhat different approach to selling cars it seems.

An example thread that he contributed to..

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=1597538&r=33603999&hm=157538&mid=157538#33603999


Wow. Thats some reading.


Yes, quite. Thanks for reminding me why I spend my forum time on here and steer clear of PH. Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:40 pm    Post subject: Word of warning... 'Modern Classic Car Co' Negative Review Reply with quote

Mods - hope this is OK because if I had seen before buying I would have found a car locally or spent the money to go and look and not believe the dealers false promises

Excitedly, I bought a car from a Glasgow outfit run by Stephen Boag called Modern Classic Car Co. Without lots of details, a short summary.

Spent ages on the phone, 6 month warranty, just had 7k spent on recommissioning car after 10 years mostly in dry storage, loads of photos. Full history, loads of stamps, perfect car (for a 20yr old car). All promises made.

Offered to arrange delivery rather than me having to go up on a plane and drive the 400 miles home. ‘If it’s not as described, no problem, and remember it’s got a 6 month mechanical and electrical warranty’

Grey import, stamped book but no receipts, loads of issues (mostly niggle) and refusing to do anything. The warranty isn’t, it’s his personal guarantee which is worth zero.

So now have a car which will be a worthwhile investment after I spend a couple of grand to fix issues it was delivered.

I’m just instructing a solicitor, but if this post stops one other person being ripped off, it’s worth it. So please, treat as a private sale from this guy and definitely Buyer beware Cop
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Useful read.....

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115814

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http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=101930
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toddy2 wrote:
Useful read.....

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115814

Review guidelines...

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=101930


Thanks. 1st would have been useful a month ago lol

I’ve been trying to talk with this guy thru phone, email etc for a month and no responses. He’s been advised I’m going to take legal action and I won’t go into detail as it can bore people.

Never given anyone a bad review before: not my style. But wouldn’t want to see anyone else take this fella at face value
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Hope everything works out for you. Keep us posted....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be a lot of this at present ,I was reading the linked other 911uk thread and saw this guy is a brother of the guy at Border Reivers straight away I remember reading another negative thread about this company recently.

I can't stress enough to anyone reading this in the future, buy your 911 from a well known and highly regarded Porsche specialist or get a PPI done before parting with money, unless its a very special car there is always another one dont let them blag you out of a deposit for a regular 911 when I say regular I mean ave spec, ave miles, in an ave colour.
yes a well priced riviara blue 4S might tempt me to put a few hundred down but never for a black or silver car there are just so many to choose from you dont need to take a gamble.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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toddy2 wrote:
Useful read.....

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115814

Review guidelines...

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=101930


Thanks. 1st would have been useful a month ago lol

I’ve been trying to talk with this guy thru phone, email etc for a month and no responses. He’s been advised I’m going to take legal action and I won’t go into detail as it can bore people.

Never given anyone a bad review before: not my style. But wouldn’t want to see anyone else take this fella at face value


What kind of issues have you had with the car since you had it sent to you ?

Was there any paperwork that you signed when if was dropped off ? specifically to the condition of the car and what may or may not have been warranted ??

I ask as this sounds like a distance selling transaction and there is specific protection under the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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toddy2 wrote:
Useful read.....

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=115814

Review guidelines...

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=101930


Thanks. 1st would have been useful a month ago lol

I’ve been trying to talk with this guy thru phone, email etc for a month and no responses. He’s been advised I’m going to take legal action and I won’t go into detail as it can bore people.

Never given anyone a bad review before: not my style. But wouldn’t want to see anyone else take this fella at face value


What kind of issues have you had with the car since you had it sent to you ?

Was there any paperwork that you signed when if was dropped off ? specifically to the condition of the car and what may or may not have been warranted ??

I ask as this sounds like a distance selling transaction and there is specific protection under the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013


Tried that, he refuses to comply with the law.

He also told me he owns all his cars, not a stocking loan or a marketing business, actually owns them. Then later said he just markets them.

Signed nothing before sale, nor on delivery, and immediately raised concerns with the history and title of the car. We had agreed if it was wrong it was going back. Found evidence of work he would have known needed to be done and hid from the receipts he listed and sent.

Thanks for amending title, wasn’t sure if forum etiquette would allow it Smile

I am a bit in limbo, so think I will have to put the wrong bits right then sue for recovery of the cost, loss of earnings etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where these distance regulations apply and a trader does not provide the correct terms and conditions, they could face having to reimburse the full costs of the purchase up to 12 months from the date of the transaction without being able to deduct any amount for postage or the use of the goods during the time.

Apart from being an import what else have you found wrong with the car ?
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