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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:42 am    Post subject: Thoughts on the E92 M3? Who has/had one? Reply with quote

Had a little look, couldn't immediately see any threads on them.

Doesn't one member on here have a yellow one in a fleet with a yellow E46?

Reason I ask, is I will be needing something a little bit bigger than the Cayman at some point. And I was wondering about going sensible and getting a B8 S4 or getting something a little savage yet with more seats than a 911/Cayman.

Any wisdom welcomed.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are thinking of Boba Fett. He has run both and he also has loads of experience of the E46 M3 in various forms for comparison.
I like the idea of them but would change the big end bearings as a first job due to horror stories which many say are overblown, but if they go it will cost.
The thing that puts me off them compared to the E46 is that they are bigger, heavier, and more refined, with a lower specific output. The engine is still supposed to be a real gem though.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, MC. Interior of the E46 has always left me cold, a mate had one and I disliked it so, I had never even entertained the idea of getting a BMW until yesterday.

Been doing my homework, some people are saying the big end bearing failure is less than 1%. Reading about it, it did somewhat remind me of the classics we face on here.... bore score, IMS, RMS etc.

It is a consideration for sure, apparently right oil and not ragging from cold along with the first 'breaking in' service around 1k miles should stand one in good stead.

Biggest issue is apparently the TB actuators which are made of cheese and fail, but this is well known about and a relatively easy fix.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owned one for about 2 years. Cant fault them at all. One thing I would mention is that coming from a porsche the M3 wont really feel like a sports car. The M3 has a higher seating position. I can really comment on the rod bearings as I sold my m3 with 38k miles. If I was to do it again I would but the e46 m3 instead of the e92 m3, the e92 m3 is a bit too refined for me. In a straight line I have a feeling it would beat a 996 C2 so they are pretty fast cars.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, E92, how was it on MPG, obviously it’s a V8 but I’ve read differing accounts? Is it much worse than the 997/987s of this world?!

There’s no way it wouldn’t beat a 996 C2, it’s got 420bhp, way more than the GT3s of the 996 era.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a contentious statement then? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checked the weights, does a 996 C2 really weigh just 1300kg? If so, that is a fair bit lighter than the Beamer!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something like 1300kg vs 1600kg, but then 300hp vs 420hp.
If you are buying a C2 for a drag racer you have the wrong car anyway. The E92 M3 is a nice sporty car with good acceleration, the C2 is a sports car.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
You are thinking of Boba Fett.

And he'll be along with some pictures of it shortly...

A mate had one for a while and found it dull. I drove it briefly and wasn't that impressed either. That said though, I'd have one over an Audi and there's probably not much else in that "class" that beats it to be fair, it's just missing something Dont know
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers, MC. That sort of weight is noticeable, I know it was coming from my R32 that was 1,550 compared to the Cayman's 1,350.

Don't get me wrong people, I know it's no Porker. I don't want to get rid of my Cayman, I love it. I just need rear seats, was all set for an S4 but then realised for similar money I could have the M3.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks, E92, how was it on MPG, obviously it’s a V8 but I’ve read differing accounts? Is it much worse than the 997/987s of this world?!

There’s no way it wouldn’t beat a 996 C2, it’s got 420bhp, way more than the GT3s of the 996 era.


I generally got about 18 mpg average which was with a few spirited drives. The maximum mpg I could get (55 mph on a motorway) was 33 mpg. I had a manual car though, not sure if its different to the DCT. They say the DCT is more suited to the engine which I probably agree to, but I'm a manual guy so would never have bought a DCT.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one as well, absolutely love it, although it is heavily modded from standard, inc bilstein coilovers, AP brakes, uprated roll bars, Full Akrapovitch titanium exhaust, and various cosmetic additions. Its also a manual...( of course..)

I also got my shell bearings replaced as a precautionary measure along with the actuators when I got the car and did all the work, I just wanted to know everything was sorted.....that cost me just over £1,500....

I have had the car 2.5 years and it always makes me smile when I drive it, the engine sounds mega, cant beat the V8, especially with the Akra, it makes a superb car for long range road trips, as well as being very capable round the track. Of course, as pointed out above, its not a pure sports car, but it is still an amazing bit of kit for the money, considering you can get a nice one with 50 - 60K miles on for well under 20K now.....

MPG is another story, but then who cares about that when you drive one of the last great NA V8 engines made?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some form here having in the last 12 months sold an e46 m3 and an E92 M3 and bought another E92 m3!

E46 was getting expensive to maintain and needed a lot of work to bring up to standard. Gone.

I couldn't fault the E92M3 - I wanted something low profile that I could have fun with - it did this BUT I couldn't find it was what I wanted at the weekend and I hated the paddle box. Its ok having a high revving V8 with a box dropping it into the fat end of the torque for the track, not my idea of control on the road. The only car I have ever had that I didnt feel comfortable in. Gone.

It was chuffing fast though and a 996 will not see which way it goes.

In - we bought a manual four door E92 M3. What a lovely car - so controllable and very practical and better looking than coupe IMO. Cheaper as well.

MPG? Never seen much than 22mpg even driving sensibly.

So M3s great. I did not like auto, I love the manual and a 996 will not live with it in standard form.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Gents, so good feedback in general. So the way I see it, running costs are on a par with Stuttgart's finest... same tax, same tyres, servicing the same... its just the petrol will be worse by the sounds of it.

Would we say there is a limit as to how many miles it should have on the clock? Is it like the Porsche world where they suddenly hit a cliff at 100k miles?

Any must-have options? EDC, the fancy cornering lights?

And I take it a pram and baby stuff fits in the boot ok? The S4 has an obviously bigger boot in pictures.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like mine, great car, mines a daily an E93 and a DCT, I am not an Auto fan at all, but the box is very good and quite a bit quicker than a manual, it is fit for purpose for what I use the car for and the manuals ive driven feel notchy and the ratios are wrong for the screamer engine. An M3 really is the jack of all trades master of none, and if you are getting on average over 19 MPG you are not driving it right! The Engine is one of the best, its just superb, sounds awesome with a cheap exhaust mod, 8500 rpm V8 howler, in a straight line it will show a 996 a clean pair of heels, but I still think it could do with a bit more torque and power, to be perfect.

I would not go back to an E46 M3 now unless it was a CSL, and that would be more for investment reasons. They are just getting troublesome now, old and drive old as such, and that's fine because they are now being called a classic.

I think you will like one, id drive both a manual and a DCT as the most important difference to see what you like.

Nice options, EDC, heated seats, Harmon Kardon or individual sound system, Piano black trim, Individual cars, TV, Hardrive, folding mirrors etc..and I would also go for an LCI facelift model.

Things to go wrong of concern throttle actuators (no biggy really) and rod bearings at higher miles not looked after cars, however go for an approved AUC BMW car as they start at 18k now, and stress not !! Thumb Thumb Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Boba, knew you would be along!

What is the exhaust hack I have heard about?

I heard the basic stereo is terrible. I never really get heated seats, just extra weight in my mind, but I know the next buyer would look for it.

Have heard a fair amount about AUC, take it that's the BMW warranty then is it?

Is 60-77k on the clock acceptable? Do they have engine data like the Porkies so I can gauge how it has been driven?

Oh and can you have a roof rack with the CF roof? And do all the 2 doors come with said roof.

Sorry for all the questions, will join M3 Cutters when I know a little of what I am talking about.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was an M3 chap through and through until I got the E92 when it came out. It turned me right off them - just far too big, heavy, numb, soulless and another step away from what the M3 was to me. I'd had at least one of each model prior to this, inc 3 (I think, might have been 4) E46's. I'd try an M2 though, they might be more to my tastes..

I sold it after a couple of months and bought my first 986 boxster S. Never looked back.

Interestingly I now dislike the 991.2s as they are a mile away from what a 911 is to me...

Maybe its just me Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope - me too - owned E30, E36, E46 & E46 CSL which I traded in against an E92. Had ago in a M2 last year and didn't remind me of an E30 M3 at all - could just be my age!

I parked beside a 991 last year in the 993 and both owners were laughing at the differences in the two models - both for very different reasons I must add......
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The return of Marty Wild wrote:
Thanks, Boba, knew you would be along!

What is the exhaust hack I have heard about?

I heard the basic stereo is terrible. I never really get heated seats, just extra weight in my mind, but I know the next buyer would look for it.

Have heard a fair amount about AUC, take it that's the BMW warranty then is it?

Is 60-77ok on the clock acceptable? Do they have engine data like the Porkies so I can gauge how it has been driven?

Oh and can you have a roof rack with the CF roof? And do all the 2 doors come with said roof.

Sorry for all the questions, will join M3 Cutters when I know a little of what I am talking about.


You find you need to own the V8 a little longer than a couple of months to let it grow on you. It happens a lot to owners that don't quite gell with it at first, but it will grow on you.

Yes upgrade stereo and EDC seems to be a must, all the others are mostly for resale time as you hardly use them.

Only coupes models have the CF roof and yes You can fit a bike rack, as they have the strips to do this.

I would draw the line at 90k as thats at the point where Rod bearings could, might happen. Its 1k to do the rod bearing though.

Actuators last about 60 to 70k miles.

AUC is the no quibble BMW warranty it is very good, and there is no data to worry about, the fact its still going with no dash lights is all you need !!

The exhaust hack is about £200 and it depends on what you want, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 2.75 or 4 pipe exhaust mod and the higher the number the louder it is. I have the 2.5, its loud and epic !!
 
  
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