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BriceV
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:39 pm    Post subject: 997.2 engine failure: rebuild or replace Reply with quote

Hi,
I am looking for opinions on rebuild vs replace. I bought a 997.2 C2s from RPM in September with 68k miles. It quickly appeared that the oil consumption was too high. I sent it for a service to RGA Porsche in Vauxhall where Bob showed me the oil filter had metallic particles in it which clearly indicated a serious problem. I returned the car to RPM for inspection. They spotted metallic particles as well in the oil and they decided to strip out the engine. They discovered spun bearings which made quite some damage inside the engine. Obviously I bought a 997 gen 2 in part for the added piece of mind of a more reliable engine. But bad things happen even to non-996/997.1 engines. RPM obviously offered to rebuild the engine and to cover the costs (£11k). They also gave a call to Porsche which are offering a brand new engine with 2 year guarantee for £15k. I am now left with the choice to either ask RPM to rebuild the engine for free, or to pay the difference from my personal wallet (£4k) and drive away with a brand new engine with a 2 year guarantee. I am not trying to point the finger at anyone here. RPM have been very pro-active in trying to help me analyse the situation. But I am interested in the opinion of more experienced Porsche lovers around here or more engine knowledgeable people than me about rebuild vs replace.
Let me know what you think.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad to here about a gen2 failure.
I personally would go with a brand new engine, its extremely unlikely to go wrong again, certainly whilst you own it!
Good luck whatever you decide
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO a new Porsche engine every time Thumb not sure I would want anything gen 2 that wasn't 100% Porsche.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What would the rebuild include? (guessing all new moving parts in the bottom end - crank? bores?).

What does "a new engine" include? (i'm guessing just the bottom end).


If my guesses are correct, RPM are a reputable engine builder and either way you are getting new moving parts. It is possible RPM are as good at assembling engines as Porsche so personally I would save my £4k if they can mirror the 2 year guarantee.

Fantastic to hear RPM standing by the car, theres no way they could have known at sale time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New engine from Porsche will be complete unit minus a couple of bolt on bits. I’d go new Porsche engine as how much is a 2 year warranty theses days £1.5 - 2k?

When my GT3 let go this is what I did having 2 year of worry free motoring is worth the extra imo
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
IMHO a new Porsche engine every time Thumb not sure I would want anything gen 2 that wasn't 100% Porsche.

This is the way to go. thumbsup

Will greatly help when you come to sell the car on. Honourable of RPM to cover £11K. Certainly worth an investment of £4K in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SAD TO HEAR , especially a gen2 but all cars of all marques can have the odd big hiccup , personally I would add the 4k and get a new engine with 2yr warranty the warranty alone would be £1800 if purchased on its own so a new engine for £2200 seems like the best option to me. Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the new engine. Like others have said, it is very unlikely it will go again.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear. As others have said, a bit of bad luck you've copped as you don't often go pop. IF RPM are going to outsource the work to Hartech, I'd be inclined to save the £4k.
Outside of that id push back and see if Porsche could close the gap some way.....then stump up the diffetence
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow spun crank bearings Surprised

It must have been thrashed from cold and had a very bad previous owner.

New engine from Porsche every time .

Presuming you can afford it.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porsche engine all the way Thumb

Oh and it sounds like RPM are treating you well.. thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, new engine from Porsche but contrary to a couple of comments, the two year warranty will likely only cover the engine, not most of the vehicle like the typical extended warranty we buy, so not the couple of grand benefit as stated. Its just the normal warranty on new parts which is not to be undervalued but not quite as suggested here in the comments.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A brand new Porsche approved engine with 2 year warranty for 4 grand, bargain.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
A brand new Porsche approved engine with 2 year warranty for 4 grand, bargain.

yes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the new engine is a complete unit its a no brainer

Although as the post above suggested, to cause that kind of damage the prior owner must have had either zero mechanical sympathy or been a regular track goer skipping services

i would be worried about other components, and perhaps asking for a refund on the car and find another one
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all your answers. I was tempted by the brand new engine option. It is reassuring to ser a majority think it is the route to follow.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BriceV wrote:
Thanks for all your answers. I was tempted by the brand new engine option. It is reassuring to ser a majority think it is the route to follow.


It’s a mouth watering prospect to consider a brand new engine in a 997.2 C2S. It’s definitely the route I’d take.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2009 gen 2 Carrera S with similar mileage which also eats a lot of oil so this is quite worrying. How much oil was your gen 2 consuming, and were there any other symptoms like bad engine noise or smoke from the exhausts. Was the excessive oil use being burnt during combustion or were there any leaks. Also what year is your car as the earlier Gen 2's seem to report increased oil consumption over later cars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a dilemma, but you might also consider the time off the road. If RPM can source and install the new engine quicker than doing the rebuild, that may be the way to go. Unless you were planning to store it for winter in any event. I do think you might just have to bite the bullet, and then get the rest of the car re-inspected. If for example, the engine's out they could have a look at the gearbox and what not.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh that's a tough one, £4k is a lot of money.

Option 1, free rebuild
Option 2, new engine £4000 out of pocket.

Now you see it's easy to say go new but to hand over another £4000 that's a hard pill to swallow when a rebuild will do exactly the same job.

If they'll put a 2yr warranty on a rebuild I'd go with the free option.

I'll tell you why, keep it for a while, sell the car with the remaining warranty. Then buy another and this time spend your money on a Porsche Extended Warranty. Otherwise you'll fork out £4000 on a new engine and then fork out possibly more when something else goes wrong.

You do the math and don't get attached emotionally. Don't go spending £4k when you don't have to.
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