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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:45 pm    Post subject: To wash or not to wash..... Reply with quote

Afternoon,

I saw my car had lost its shine. Therefore I took it for professional detailing.

The guy asked me if I wash the car myself and I repeated not always as I sometimes use the car human wash. He suggested I wash it myself because depending on where you go often you don't get a professional outcome.

I have promised to wash the car myself moving forward.

Just was curious what we all tend to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't let anyone else near mine to wash it. Especially some of these modern day slave outfits that do a full wash & valet for a tenner, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
Wouldn't let anyone else near mine to wash it. Especially some of these modern day slave outfits that do a full wash & valet for a tenner, etc.

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I think the thing here is that no matter how good the detailing by a professional, all his/her good work can be wasted in a matter of seconds by poor washing practices. That is the reason that I never will never go to any of the high street hand-wash outfits. nooo

In terms of doing it yourself, good practice should be always exercised to avoid swirling/scores, such as :-
- pre-rinse with a hose to remove the grit, dust and other contaminants sitting on the surface
- a snow foam all over to loosen everything up
- another pre-rinse
- always wash the car from top to bottom with a good quality wash mitt which is kept scrupulously clean before, during and after washes
- use a separate wash mitt/shampoo for the sills/below and the wheels
- wash using the two bucket method with grit guards at the bottom of each bucket (one bucket with the car shampoo and the other to rinse the wash mitt each time before going back into the shampoo)
- rinse off with hose
- dry with microfibre cloths
- add top-up wax or nano coating like Gtechniq C2 v3 spray

Despite sounding long-winded, it isn't. With practice, can get all the above down to about 30 minutes.

Really does stand the best chance of minimising any washing damage to a well detailed paint surface. Laughing

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above. The more dirt you can remove before your wash media comes into contact with the bodywork the better. www.detailingworld.com is your friend when it comes to products, advice and expertise.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above and above - only other thing I do is use a Metro Blaster to dry the car. Brilliant bit of kit.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly I think it’s true those places offering car washing for a tenner probably are doing more harm than good. Picture of my car after it’s detailing yesterday. Moving forward I shall be washing it myself offcause after taking on board some of the pointers some of you have shared with me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the correct weather I find cleaning my car a cathartic experience. Some people Yoga....i clean my 911
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't make the mistake I did by using hot water. Surprised


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hot water!! , whats wrong with hot water ?? took me a while but i eventually got it Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KP964 wrote:
Hot water!! , whats wrong with hot water ?? took me a while but i eventually got it Grin

But when you chamois it off it's coooooold
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP - The trick is to do a really good job of it twice, maybe three times a year with good quality products, including a very good carnauba wax, and then every time in-between just becomes a gentle wash down with a pH neutral shampoo and a dry with a microfiber cloth.

Jet wash.
Snowfoam.
Rinse.
Shampoo.
Clay bar.
Polish.
Wax.

It takes a while, but it's worth it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
Wouldn't let anyone else near mine to wash it. Especially some of these modern day slave outfits that do a full wash & valet for a tenner, etc.


Only one other person has ever been trusted with cleaning my cars , my favoured detail guru.....

I wouldn’t trust anyone near it ....

I wash myself and know that if I drop the mitt it goes in the bin , not back in th3 rinse / wash buckets ....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
OP - The trick is to do a really good job of it twice, maybe three times a year with good quality products, including a very good carnauba wax, and then every time in-between just becomes a gentle wash down with a pH neutral shampoo and a dry with a microfiber cloth.

Jet wash.
Snowfoam.
Rinse.
Shampoo.
Clay bar.
Polish.
Wax.

It takes a while, but it's worth it.


Sorry ‘ arry But I don’t agree with the jet wash first .....

Snow foam first THEN rinse off .....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEVER EVER use a chamois leather on it , that very out of date use a microfibre cloth with any label on it ripped off.
Ideally buy a snow foam attachement for your presure washer
Snow foam first leave for 5 mins rinse off with pressure washer then use two bucket method to wash it with shampoo, pressure wash it again , dry it with microfibre cloth only , then apply a quick detail spray to keep the just polished look for longer.
Every 6/8 weeks replace the quick detail spray with a coat of wax or polish use a good quality hybrid or high canuba content one.
this method should keep you good until your annual or by annual mop at your detailer .
or in my case I have a pro detailer who does this process for me every week on his site using my prefered and supplied products ,presently using blackfire wet diamond shampoo and quick detailer. but there are also lots of other very very good products out there Gtechnic crystal are good I use their trim restorer on my black bumper lips etc.

AVOID AT ALL TIMES the Polish hand cars washes and the likes , unless you want the grit from the previous dirty truck or 4x4 scrubbed into your paintwork and then the paintwork beaten with a cheap plastic wiper thingy followed by a dirty chamois to dry it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way I let anyone else touch my paintwork, scrambles my brain when I see nice cars getting done in supermarket car parks. Some of them don’t even have a constant supply of water! I’ve seen them pouring their bucket water away after a session.... my god! I figure some people are to chop the car in on a 3 year lease and give not a single **** about the paint.

Washing the car properly in 30 mins, wow, that member must have 8 arms! Takes me 2 hours, but is time well spent, I do obsess with the process. My previous car (R32) used to take me 3 hours with black paintwork, more bodywork and fiddly wheels.

Used to leave signs in the R32 so VW wouldn’t wash it in the sole job I trusted them to do... the MOT.

Proper detail takes me 12hours without a DA Polisher, or at least it did on the R. Yet to Dj the Cayman.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The return of Marty Wild wrote:
No way I let anyone else touch my paintwork, scrambles my brain when I see nice cars getting done in supermarket car parks. Some of them don’t even have a constant supply of water! I’ve seen them pouring their bucket water away after a session.... my god! I figure some people are to chop the car in on a 3 year lease and give not a single **** about the paint.

Washing the car properly in 30 mins, wow, that member must have 8 arms! Takes me 2 hours, but is time well spent, I do obsess with the process. My previous car (R32) used to take me 3 hours with black paintwork, more bodywork and fiddly wheels.

Used to leave signs in the R32 do VW wouldn’t wash it in the sole job I trusted them to do... the MOT.

Proper detail takes me 12hours without a DA Polisher, or at least it did on the R. Yet to Dj the Cayman.


YES very good point made make sure your OPC have it on your records NEVER to wash your car after any work as their guys are pretty much as bad as the Polish car washes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure anyone else has mentioned it but http://www.raceglaze.co.uk is a magic item. Mine get a full pro detail once a year. Maintenance is then just a two bucket wash and raceglaze rinse and leave it to dry.

Big thanks to T8 for the original recommendation.Thumb

Oh and anyone getting them washed at the OPC....have it on very good authority that some only pay the external car wash company £2.50 per car...says it all really.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im looking into getting mine Ceramic coated at the minute,supposedly itll last about 2/3 years with a bit of care

Anyone on here had this done Question
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Millsy71 wrote:
im looking into getting mine Ceramic coated at the minute,supposedly itll last about 2/3 years with a bit of care

Anyone on here had this done Question


Some rate it others hate it, Porkee said it went dull after a while and he paid to get it removed from his car Dont know
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