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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject: Using LHD CARS in the UK Reply with quote

Seeing the 997.2 GT3 in Riviera Blue at the top of the 911uk.com website is driving me mad. Such a stunning car, and when I think I've put to bed the GT3 itch, that pops his head up.
A quick search of Europe shows GT3 997.2 being not too bad price wise, which begs the question. What's it like to own a LHD car in tbe uk. It eill be used occasionally so just curious to hear peoples thoughts on the reality of running a left hooker
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my dad used to have a LHD Alfa Spider it never felt right sitting in the passage seat telling him when he could overtake.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My other "toy" is a LHD 240z which I have an absolute blast driving around.

I honestly can't enjoy it to its full potential though, as most situations require you to really be sat on the 'correct' side to see overtaking, past traffic, etc.

On a track, it makes 0 difference, however.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On a track, it makes 0 difference, however.


Logically that should be right. However I found that at 10/10 in a lhd the muscle memory was not quite the same and I kept worrying about miss shifting down the box.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a LHD Ferrari 355 and once you've got used to it, i.e. shifting with your right hand, it becomes 2nd nature.

Admittedly I wouldn't want to be driving a LHD car as a daily but it's not so it's fine.

I wouldn't be put off by it at all
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have owned Integrale's and now my 914 and I don't give a second thought to it being a lhd and in many cases the purer driving experience is in LHD as most are designed that way and then adapted to RHD.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wouldn't be much different to driving an RHD car on the continent. Car park entry barriers and overtaking on A roads are the problems, but that is pretty much it I'd say.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not too hard to adapt to it

you get more space for the clutch pedal, operating the centre console controls is easier

parking barriers are a pain to get across to and you will occasionally get in from the wrong side

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've kerbed my wheels on my Jaguar for not judging the width of the car correctly. I think I would have avoided that if it were RHD. As others have said above, if it's a daily, there'll be issues. If not, then why not?

If you can hassle yourself with getting something outside the EU, here's a low mileage 997.2 GT3 LHD for just over £70k:

http://www.saudisale.com/SS_e_car.aspx?carid=89383

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've kerbed my wheels on my Jaguar for not judging the width of the car correctly. I think I would have avoided that if it were RHD. As others have said above, if it's a daily, there'll be issues. If not, then why not?

If you can hassle yourself with getting something outside the EU, here's a low mileage 997.2 GT3 LHD for just over £70k:

http://www.saudisale.com/SS_e_car.aspx?carid=89383

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That's cheap. I wonder what the on the road cost for that car would be?

Having done a few trips to the continent my only issues were the barrier issue and A road overtaking, as stated. Knowing that I was heading back to the UK made it a non issue. Having it full time here had me questioning it.

Marie. What is the paint quality like on ME cars after a few years?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's cheap. I wonder what the on the road cost for that car would be?

Having done a few trips to the continent my only issues were the barrier issue and A road overtaking, as stated. Knowing that I was heading back to the UK made it a non issue. Having it full time here had me questioning it.

Marie. What is the paint quality like on ME cars after a few years?

You'll have to factor in VAT and import charges. Speak to JZM (Hertfordshire) as they have imported a few cars in from the same region if my understanding is correct. Gulf spec includes standard fitment of a fire extinguisher and a space saver spare in the frunk (though I don't know if the space saver is the same Centre-Lock design as the main wheels).

Paint Quality - whilst in KSA, I was waxing mine every week to protect from the sun. So I had no complaints at all and the paintwork is still looking good after 1 year back in Europe.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been driving my lhd 3.2 for over 10 years now. Simply not an issue.

The only issue to be aware of is the need to have the correct headlamps (switching the 'T' bar for the touring setting is MOT compliant but contradicts the construction and use regulations of VOSA if left on more than 12 months) and fog lights correctly wired.

My advice is to select our car on merit, lhd or rhd.

Good luck,

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

-I think a few hours of driving LHD will remove the ‘strange’ feeling. And you could argue it makes you a more alert driver in the UK as you need to be more observant in day to day situations.

As others have said, all 911’s are designed in LHD. There are compromises in the RHD equivalents, (although far less in the last 20 years)

Looking back, I had a 13 year period (‘95-‘08 ) where I only drove LHD; Golf Rallye, Audi RS2 as daily’s and a couple of early 911’s ..in the UK. Including daily commute and car park barriers 4 times a day.. didn’t think twice about it, mastered the ‘leaning over the car’ position.. (I may have been slightly more athletic then though..!). 🤔
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have driven a LHD 911 for the last 14 years and find it completely natural. It did take a while to adjust to it, and like someone has said, when you start to push on would be when things get a little more difficult to adjust but now its total fine.
Never found it any trouble to overtake cars.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxie wrote:
Gulf spec includes standard fitment of a fire extinguisher and a space saver spare in the frunk (though I don't know if the space saver is the same Centre-Lock design as the main wheels).


The space saver is of course a centre lock (there isn't any other way to put it on the car), though to be honest I've only ever seen them in the parts catalogue and didn't have a clue where they were actually part of spec. It is of course the most useless accessory out there (even allowing for the hilarious price of them). Porsche do make a telescopic breaker bar for getting the wheels off (also for daft money) which presumably is also within the kit, however I recall that people in America bought them when the car was new and discovered that after the torque specs on the wheels were increased by Porsche, the bar bent when used and would no longer collapse. Plus of course - you wouldn't want to use a tool kit jack when leaning 600Nm of torque on to the wheel so unless you always carry a trolley jack in the car : you just wouldn't... nooo
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. My take away is that it's worthinvestigating when ready.
For those that have a GT3, how many hours driving before your kidneys are broken?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The space saver is of course a centre lock (there isn't any other way to put it on the car), though to be honest I've only ever seen them in the parts catalogue and didn't have a clue where they were actually part of spec. It is of course the most useless accessory out there (even allowing for the hilarious price of them). Porsche do make a telescopic breaker bar for getting the wheels off (also for daft money) which presumably is also within the kit, however I recall that people in America bought them when the car was new and discovered that after the torque specs on the wheels were increased by Porsche, the bar bent when used and would no longer collapse. Plus of course - you wouldn't want to use a tool kit jack when leaning 600Nm of torque on to the wheel so unless you always carry a trolley jack in the car : you just wouldn't... nooo

Thanks for clarifying Colin. I did wonder that if the space saver was of a CL design, then there must also be a tool (you've mentioned telescopic breaker) for this also. I guess this ought to be standard equipment too.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For those that have a GT3, how many hours driving before your kidneys are broken?


About 12 years and counting without any issues (first 5.5 were 996.2 comfort with leather buckets and the rest with my 997.2 Clubsport with folding buckets). When I used to do the run to the 'ring I often did Eurotunnel Calais to Barweiler near the circuit non-stop (usually about 4 hours and change {but may have been done in less with the aid of derestricted autobahns}. And that doesn't include getting to the chunnel from Hertfordshire either. When I had the 996 I actually did a few laps after arrival a couple of times too). It doesn't like speed humps and potholes, but running on Cups at the appropriate pressures it actually has better damping and compliance than my 3 series (though admittedly that is on run flats) and the buckets are supportive and surprisingly comfortable. I don't get on well with the fixed Carrera GT style buckets that they brought in with the 997.1 though - those upset my shoulders fairly quickly as they are very narrow across the back.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maxie wrote:
Thanks for clarifying Colin. I did wonder that if the space saver was of a CL design, then there must also be a tool (you've mentioned telescopic breaker) for this also. I guess this ought to be standard equipment too.


The Telescopic breaker bar is part 997 361 161 00. According to Suncoast {the only place I've seen it listed} the US RRP is (sit down for this) US $503.19. And it reportedly bends if used at the revised torque settings for the wheels. The correct jack for a GT3 is (according to PET) still the standard scissor one in use since the 996.

Suddenly curious, I went and did a bit of searching for more details on the space saver (having never actually seen one I wondered what it looked like), and actually it gets even more absurd than I thought. Apparently the emergency wheel for a centre lock Porsche is what appears to be an aluminium centre lock hub adaptor (marked with the part number 997 362 191 00) which you bolt on to the car as a centre lock and then the actual space saver wheel itself is bolted to that (apparently that is actually a 5 bolt 970 {Panamera} part number, but the wheel plus CL adaptor plus bolts together have the part number 997 362 021 00. Which is {according to someone on a US thread who actually bought one for his Turbo S} a further $850). So I was actually a least half wrong as the centre lock space sever wheel itself is actually only a centre lock due to a lump of metal bolted to it.

Apparently it doesn't fit in the front boot if the organiser tray and carpet in the bottom are present either.

All of which perhaps explains why none of this stuff is standard on European or American spec cars and hence why I have never actually seen one. Dont know

In countries without reliable roadside recovery services it is I suppose a different story...
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