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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: Nearly new 718 Boxster with almost £12,000 off list Reply with quote

Just seen this for sale at Ashgood. If their pricing of options is correct (i've not checked) it seems a remarkable discount. Are 718's struggling to sell?

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Went round an OPC today, and it was jam packed with new Boxsters and Caymans in the showroom...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you talk to someone who has one / has one on order then no Grin

All I’m sayin’ is that every time I go into an OPC there are 3-5 specced up cars in the showroom for sale Wink

I’ve had a high specced loaner for 3 days and actually disliked it, all down to the engine and power delivery but I obviously have a true benchmark to compare directly to, for most buyers the reviews will simply put people off. The poor reviews for the GTS are the nail in the coffin for the current gen 718 IMHO and I genuinely believe 718 values after 3 years will take as big a hit as you can get in a porsche.
There is simply no way I would trade my 981 in for a 718 and that is large part of the problem, the cars are not attracting enough upgrades IMHO
I would rather pay more for a 981 GTS than a nearly new high spec 718 as I think the total cost of ownership would be less and its just a more fun car to drive......

There is actually a brand New Mexico blue Cayman S in my underground car park. It drove past me for the first time yesterday, looks gorgeous, sounds crap. When I drive my GTS in there the place rumbles and your hairs stand on end........

Selling nearly new cars for large discounts is just not a porsche thing nooo
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ordinarily I'd be all over that like a tramp on chips what as it's got all the extras you'd want. especially the Sports Chrono, in a good colour. OK I'd have to compromise on the lack of climate and just manual AC Rolling Eyes

Is that the 'old' low VED or is it in the new catagory Question
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Make you wonder what the trade in value was Question

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Great spec on the car but yet again no climate control frustrated

A lot of car for the money and I’m sure the new owner will be very happy (as it probably won’t be someone who has owned a 981 wack ) but I have to wonder if this is an offloaded OPC demo car they could not shift Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrs sponge summed it up last month looking at one in OPC Leeds "is this a Porsche?" Enough said....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mrs sponge summed it up last month looking at one in OPC Leeds "is this a Porsche?" Enough said....


1st Time I heard one in ABZ OPC the head salesman clocked my disbelieving contorted face and asked me if I didn't like the new 718 ??

It sounded like a Subaru in a Porsche body........ I also couldn't buy one .... looks good , sounds terrible but the beat and the proper burble isn't there .... so why would anyone ?
Only a New buyer would consider one I think ......

but not for me ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each to their own but at £45k there are a lot of other cars I would buy over a 718.

Agreed with the comments on how hard the OPC’s are finding it to shift them. They practically begged me to test drive one in Guildford.....
 
  
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Surprised So, if I buy one of these I'll get tarred and feathered what

I heard a 718S in the wild a few months back, wide awake colour, but sounded very nice - either the PSE or some other exhaust Dont know
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My daily is a 4 pot turbo.

I would never want my special/weekend car to be one....
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surprised So, if I buy one of these I'll get tarred and feathered what

I heard a 718S in the wild a few months back, wide awake colour, but sounded very nice - either the PSE or some other exhaust Dont know

There was one on the PCGB trackday at Oulton in November and it sounded great at full tilt. Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surprised So, if I buy one of these I'll get tarred and feathered what

I heard a 718S in the wild a few months back, wide awake colour, but sounded very nice - either the PSE or some other exhaust Dont know


We have a shop 718s for development for exhaust, tuning, brake upgrades etc.

- Yes they sound different to the 981
- Is the sound bad? Not imo and it sounds nothing like a subaru on the road - it has a quite distinct sound and through the rev range the tone changes. It is just different, that is all.
- throttle response - I have not driven the 718 only the 718s. There is zero boost delay unlike some of the journals like autocar who claimed there was - in fact in sports plus mode boost is constant as can be seen on the dash.
- a 981 wouldn't see which way a 718s went there is that much difference in power delivery
- 718s stock around the ring is 7;46, gt4 is 7;42. Sportauto test and same driver. As Chris harris said if your in a gt4 and see a 718s behind you on the road you may as well pull over.
- a modified 718s will be an awesome track and road car.

At most OPC there is a 5-6 month wait to get a new car.

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That car does look good in blue...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Zingari wrote:
Surprised So, if I buy one of these I'll get tarred and feathered what

I heard a 718S in the wild a few months back, wide awake colour, but sounded very nice - either the PSE or some other exhaust Dont know


We have a shop 718s for development for exhaust, tuning, brake upgrades etc.

- Yes they sound different to the 981
- Is the sound bad? Not imo and it sounds nothing like a subaru on the road - it has a quite distinct sound and through the rev range the tone changes. It is just different, that is all.
- throttle response - I have not driven the 718 only the 718s. There is zero boost delay unlike some of the journals like autocar who claimed there was - in fact in sports plus mode boost is constant as can be seen on the dash.
- a 981 wouldn't see which way a 718s went there is that much difference in power delivery
- 718s stock around the ring is 7;46, gt4 is 7;42. Sportauto test and same driver. As Chris harris said if your in a gt4 and see a 718s behind you on the road you may as well pull over.
- a modified 718s will be an awesome track and road car.

At most OPC there is a 5-6 month wait to get a new car.

Ken


I've just taken delivery of a new 718 2Lt and it's great, sound is different but still loud and a good allround car. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

996ttalot wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Surprised So, if I buy one of these I'll get tarred and feathered what

I heard a 718S in the wild a few months back, wide awake colour, but sounded very nice - either the PSE or some other exhaust Dont know


We have a shop 718s for development for exhaust, tuning, brake upgrades etc.

- Yes they sound different to the 981
- Is the sound bad? Not imo and it sounds nothing like a subaru on the road - it has a quite distinct sound and through the rev range the tone changes. It is just different, that is all.
- throttle response - I have not driven the 718 only the 718s. There is zero boost delay unlike some of the journals like autocar who claimed there was - in fact in sports plus mode boost is constant as can be seen on the dash.
- a 981 wouldn't see which way a 718s went there is that much difference in power delivery
- 718s stock around the ring is 7;46, gt4 is 7;42. Sportauto test and same driver. As Chris harris said if your in a gt4 and see a 718s behind you on the road you may as well pull over.
- a modified 718s will be an awesome track and road car.

At most OPC there is a 5-6 month wait to get a new car.

Ken


I would not agree that there is no lag. Its most obvious on a B road under hard braking / acceleration, you can't defy physics. I assume it would be much less obvious on a track. I drive on B roads not track but then again I just prefer the power delivery of a NA over turbo and the associated sound. It is just physics no matter how good the turbo engine is. I've been there, done it with highly modified turbo cars.

There is no doubt the 718 is a better car technically all round (although I prefer the 981 GTS look over the 718 more muted GTS look) but emotionally it is no where near as engaging as the 981, that is in terms of power delivery linked to one of the best NA soundtracks out there (even for a porsche).

No doubt tuners will love the 718 as FI offers much more potential but thats just not for me and IMHO will be another factor actually hitting residuals once cars are out of OPC warranty as so many will be "tuned". It is simply not the normal Porsche way which helps to retain values as so many are kept OEM.

Its a whole new market being opened up by the 4 pot turbo engines that porsche is now fitting. That is either exciting or not depending on your point of view, to me its not and many 981 owners are hanging onto their NA engines with an awesome soundtrack as you simply won't be able to buy that in the future, the real world view being the 718 is a step backwards where it matters ie its on another level lets be honest here, I've been driving a 488 spider this week and my GTS is on a par in terms of an aural emotional experience ie when comparing it with one of the best sounding V8 twin turbo engines you can buy.

Re there being long waiting lists to order one, yes you are no doubt correct but there are 3 relevant factors to consider contributing to that other than their "popularity":

- Porsche controlling supply
- the UK culture to order to spec (especially for luxury cars) compared to say the US where most luxury cars are bought pre built on off the forecourt
- orders made to simply " get on the list" and then cancelled (I now of 3). The OPC does not want to lose the build slot and so orders in as a demo / showroom car. Hence every time I go into OPC Glasgos, Bolton and Cheshire there are at least 5 Cayman/Boxster 718's for sale pre built.

The original post to this thread ie a highly discounted "nearly new" 718 is a concern as to how these could go. If OPC's are offloading stock with discounts then it will hit retained values ala BMW / Mercedes (in fact most other brands). Porsche has always cleverly avoided that in the most part, the 718 may present a risk and hence why I think Porsche are probably limiting supply to match what demand there is Dont know (which is not from 981 owners "upgrading", normally an important sales stream).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Only a New buyer would consider one I think ......


Not sure I would.... Question

But thanks for checking Thumb

Though nothing to do with the lag, ahem, lack of Porsche flat four heritage Wink



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jonttt wrote:
996ttalot wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Surprised So, if I buy one of these I'll get tarred and feathered what

I heard a 718S in the wild a few months back, wide awake colour, but sounded very nice - either the PSE or some other exhaust Dont know


We have a shop 718s for development for exhaust, tuning, brake upgrades etc.

- Yes they sound different to the 981
- Is the sound bad? Not imo and it sounds nothing like a subaru on the road - it has a quite distinct sound and through the rev range the tone changes. It is just different, that is all.
- throttle response - I have not driven the 718 only the 718s. There is zero boost delay unlike some of the journals like autocar who claimed there was - in fact in sports plus mode boost is constant as can be seen on the dash.
- a 981 wouldn't see which way a 718s went there is that much difference in power delivery
- 718s stock around the ring is 7;46, gt4 is 7;42. Sportauto test and same driver. As Chris harris said if your in a gt4 and see a 718s behind you on the road you may as well pull over.
- a modified 718s will be an awesome track and road car.

At most OPC there is a 5-6 month wait to get a new car.

Ken


I would not agree that there is no lag. Its most obvious on a B road under hard braking / acceleration, you can't defy physics. I assume it would be much less obvious on a track. I drive on B roads not track but then again I just prefer the power delivery of a NA over turbo and the associated sound. It is just physics no matter how good the turbo engine is. I've been there, done it with highly modified turbo cars.

There is no doubt the 718 is a better car technically all round (although I prefer the 981 GTS look over the 718 more muted GTS look) but emotionally it is no where near as engaging as the 981, that is in terms of power delivery linked to one of the best NA soundtracks out there (even for a porsche).

No doubt tuners will love the 718 as FI offers much more potential but thats just not for me and IMHO will be another factor actually hitting residuals once cars are out of OPC warranty as so many will be "tuned". It is simply not the normal Porsche way which helps to retain values as so many are kept OEM.

Its a whole new market being opened up by the 4 pot turbo engines that porsche is now fitting. That is either exciting or not depending on your point of view, to me its not and many 981 owners are hanging onto their NA engines with an awesome soundtrack as you simply won't be able to buy that in the future, the real world view being the 718 is a step backwards where it matters ie its on another level lets be honest here, I've been driving a 488 spider this week and my GTS is on a par in terms of an aural emotional experience ie when comparing it with one of the best sounding V8 twin turbo engines you can buy.

Re there being long waiting lists to order one, yes you are no doubt correct but there are 3 relevant factors to consider contributing to that other than their "popularity":

- Porsche controlling supply
- the UK culture to order to spec (especially for luxury cars) compared to say the US where most luxury cars are bought pre built on off the forecourt
- orders made to simply " get on the list" and then cancelled (I now of 3). The OPC does not want to lose the build slot and so orders in as a demo / showroom car. Hence every time I go into OPC Glasgos, Bolton and Cheshire there are at least 5 Cayman/Boxster 718's for sale pre built.

The original post to this thread ie a highly discounted "nearly new" 718 is a concern as to how these could go. If OPC's are offloading stock with discounts then it will hit retained values ala BMW / Mercedes (in fact most other brands). Porsche has always cleverly avoided that in the most part, the 718 may present a risk and hence why I think Porsche are probably limiting supply to match what demand there is Dont know (which is not from 981 owners "upgrading", normally an important sales stream).


How did you get on with the 488? I’ve been in and out of Ferrari dealers over the past few months, and just can’t find it or anything similar compelling enough..

Especially that I currently think there’s going to be a huge price correction in the next 18 months imo ymmv etc.. Question
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911TEL wrote:

Only a New buyer would consider one I think ......


Not sure I would.... Question

But thanks for checking Thumb

Though nothing to do with the lag, ahem, lack of Porsche flat four heritage Wink



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Funny you should jump in , because as I was writing ‘New buyer ‘ I had to consciously put the space in ...I knew you would be in on it ....

That 718 looks great , bet it sounds better than the new 718 ....

I’m just not getting the 4cylinders ...
They will be back to 6 ....
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s2000db wrote:

How did you get on with the 488? I’ve been in and out of Ferrari dealers over the past few months, and just can’t find it or anything similar compelling enough..

Especially that I currently think there’s going to be a huge price correction in the next 18 months imo ymmv etc.. Question


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What can I say, its a ferrari. I've actually been driving it this week including a trip down to Birmingham to pick up a new California T with a mate (well my dentist). They are always an experience and fun. I like it, the build quality has got better over the past couple of generations since the 430 (the one we had fell apart over 30K) but its a £200k plus car so its a different world to give comparisons about, they are what they are.

Re price I'm not sure a market adjustment is as relevant in this market, we paid list for this (it was a mates cancelled order, so we just gave him his deposit so he did not lose it) and could flip it for an easy £20k profit. It will stay on our company car fleet for a while and we will probably get our money back depending how long and what mileage we put on it.
My dentist mate bought his on Ferrari finance. He reckons it will cost him c£10k over 2 years all in (he is not knew to Ferrari) as he will only do about 4k in it over the 2 years. Ferrari are doing 7 years free servicing (3 year warranty) as standard now to prove that they stand by their product etc.... with cheap finance I know a few people who cannot afford to outlay £200k and tie it up for 2 years but they can easily easily afford £20 deposit etc.... In my mates words "its cheaper than running a merc" Grin

nb we sold an F12 late last year, been running it for 2 years and it had nearly 30k on it yet we got 2/3 original list price from a ferrari dealer for it. There has been more demand than supply on most ferrari's for a while now, plenty of money out there despite the "continued recession" and 3rexit (can't put the word as the software changes it to 911UK Hand)

ps the 981 GTS sounds better, thats how good it sounds Thumb
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