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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Discs and Pads Reply with quote

Does everyone favour Pagid over OEM for road use ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont go cheap, I fitted un known discs and had serious wheel vibration removed them returned them got Pagid fitted them all sorted Thumb now have pagid discs and pads all round, while your in there doing that highly recommend you fit braded brake lines Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice Phil ... best place to buy ATM ? ... I don't need them now so should I wait for a "sale" ?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for the advice Phil ... best place to buy ATM ? ... I don't need them know so should I wait for a "sale" ?


If your not in a hurry then best wait for one of the online factors to have a sale mate Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
Dont go cheap, I fitted un known discs and had serious wheel vibration removed them returned them got Pagid fitted them all sorted Thumb now have pagid discs and pads all round, while your in there doing that highly recommend you fit braded brake lines Thumb Thumb


Like Phil says go OEM on the discs and pads, anything else is false economy... Disagree with the braided hoses though, i replaced mine with Goodridge ones when i replaced my discs and pads all round a couple of months ago along with a flush through of racing brake fluid... If i'm being totally honest i can't really tell any difference to the pedal feel, save ya pennies on those mate Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You won't tell any difference with braided lines, they just look nice.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks for the advice Phil ... best place to buy ATM ? ... I don't need them know so should I wait for a "sale" ?


Absolutely. My car is SORN at the moment while I'm away and won't be getting the Pagids fitted until Easter. ECP had one of their fairly regular sales on and I managed to bag discs and pads at 50% off. Worth watching though as the 'normal' price has a habit of fluctuating so keep an eye elsewhere. Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Autodoc are cheap but their customer service is modelled on Ryanair, atrocious!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Braded brake lines , you wont feel any difference UNTIL that time when you really really need to stop. when you bang hard on the brakes and you can feel the pedal soften as the regular ones expand under pressure. you know when you have to pump them to stop. with braided lines that doesnt happen as they cant expand and soften the pedal. Its one of those silly things that might just save you from a smash one day , so for me its £70 well spent even though for 99% of the time you wont feel any difference. but 10ft shorter stopping from 100mph could make all the difference on that one occasion. Grin

oh yes and they do look nice Grin I got blue ones to match my paint not that you ever see them Floor As Ade said I also used gulf racing brake fluid. well why not if you can, it cant hurt Floor Floor
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
You won't tell any difference with braided lines, they just look nice.

MC


For road use you probably won’t notice the difference, on the track they make a big difference to counteract brake fade / spongey pedal. If you’re not tracking it I wouldn’t bother but if you are they are the first upgrade along with racing fluid you need to be making.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sebro disks from ECP and Padgids or Textar pads all OEM stuff at a fraction of the cost Thumb
Braided lines are cheap enough then why not ?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Indy recommends Sebro discs. There are no after-market discs for 996 Turbo. The manufacturer for 996 Turbo does not supply outside of OPC under their contractual terms. For non-Turbo cars there are OEM discs (though I don't know who they are - Pagid or Sebro- and I'm talking discs, not pads).
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you are driving at the limit constantly on the road OEM will be fine. Let's face it day to day useage is more about reading the road and looking ahead to anticipate dangers not slowing continually from 120mph.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys ... I think OEM are for me but I'm still a bit confused ... where do Pagid fit in ? are they the same/better/cheaper than OEM ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pagid are an after market brake pad supplier with a very good reputation for race/track pads namely the RS-29 but also do other pads appropriate for fast road et cetera. In essence some pads work better when hot ie constant hard braking, some produce more corrosive brake dust and some are more effective when used in 'normal' driving. So it depends on how you are going to use them as to which ones you fit.

NXI20 is a supplier of pads and discs and I am sure will be more than happy to help if you were to choose aftermarket.

OEM are still very good pads and ideal for road use. I think OEM will be cheaper especially if the alternative was the RS-29s. Others such as Pagid RS-14, RS-19 et cetera may be a little cheaper. I have only ever bought Pagid RS-29 or other makes.

So in my opinion, Pagid are not the same, better for track and I think more expensive than OEM (over RS-29 at least).

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sebro are factory fit and OEM, but rust to death from the inside out Grin

I`ve gone Borg & Beck disks and Pagid pads on my Porschas, but then again I did build the machinery and perfect the manufacturing process for the disks some years ago, so I know they are top notch Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurlykris wrote:
Sebro are factory fit and OEM, but rust to death from the inside out Grin

I`ve gone Borg & Beck disks and Pagid pads on my Porschas, but then again I did build the machinery and perfect the manufacturing process for the disks some years ago, so I know they are top notch Thumb


Kris, borg and beck disks now added to my list for future reference, Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurlykris wrote:
Sebro are factory fit and OEM, but rust to death from the inside out Grin

I`ve gone Borg & Beck disks and Pagid pads on my Porschas, but then again I did build the machinery and perfect the manufacturing process for the disks some years ago, so I know they are top notch Thumb


That Becktec Coating looks the nuts !
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ratattak wrote:

That Becktec Coating looks the nuts !


After 9 months they still look like new, no rust in the vents at all Thumb

I have the Boxster on track tomorrow at Mallory, so will see how they perform when being used hard Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For some reason only the rears rust on the inside on brake disks ? Possibly something to do with piston pressure not cleaning the crap of them, outsides fair fine ?
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