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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: 9e new development car Reply with quote

Hi,

So we took delivery of our new development car from Porsche this morning. Guards Red 718S PDK.

We will run this in quickly and then develop in conjunction with our partner Kline Innovations some exhaust options that will transform the sound.

After this we will develop the tuning for the car.

Plan is
1. Exhaust upgrades
2. Tuning upgrades
3. Hybrid VTG

Option 3 should get us to over 450ps.

Anything we do will apply to the Boxster as well.

We will do a base power run in the new year and keep the thread updated with progress.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might not be a flat 6... BUT Cayman chassis, mid engined, C.450hp.... This is what the GT4 should have been. Well actually GT4 should have had a 4.0L GT3 engine but porsche never would have allowed that! This however is going to be a very capable car indeed. Love it and absolutely subscribed!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:
It might not be a flat 6... BUT Cayman chassis, mid engined, C.450hp.... This is what the GT4 should have been. Well actually GT4 should have had a 4.0L GT3 engine but porsche never would have allowed that! This however is going to be a very capable car indeed. Love it and absolutely subscribed!
It should be fun for sure - I have a number 4 option as well but will keep that quiet for a while Grin
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any thoughts on heat management in the engine bay and 3rd gear issue for those that want manual?

SportAuto noted power drop-off on track which they attributed to heat with sensors trimming power.

There have been 718s losing 3rd, far fewer than GT4/GTS but most on track in US. GT gears may be the solution. PDK allegedly good for 500Nm.

Any idea on price target and warranty retention?

Very good to see UK tuner starting on the platform. worship
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

do all the cars have different PDK hardware / clutch packs? 997 pdk used to be able to take far more than 500nm. Guys out there running 750-800nm + on their turbos.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desert Dragon wrote:
do all the cars have different PDK hardware / clutch packs? 997 pdk used to be able to take far more than 500nm. Guys out there running 750-800nm + on their turbos.


The 997 Turbo PDK was rated at 750Nm per ZF technical data, the equivalent 997/987 PDK was 420Nm. I was told by ZF guy that the non-turbo box would take up to 500Nm but not on a sustained basis.

I know of a 981 GT4 Clubsport with 4.2L engine running 495PS and 500Nm with no slip (yet) mind you he is putting a SADEV sequential in the car, for reasons of better track performance in his track day car. He has been running a tuned Powerkit 3.8L Boxster PDK with around 450PS and 470Nm for some time with no PDK issues. He changes PDK oils annually.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken - I thought this was the new loan car!!

Seriously sounds like a 9e plan to widen their portfolio....awsome, 450bhp will be possibly a perfect balance vs. weight etc

Plan 4 - Ummmm 9e aero package/styling???

Keep the updates coming, watching with interest

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

porkyb1 wrote:
Desert Dragon wrote:
do all the cars have different PDK hardware / clutch packs? 997 pdk used to be able to take far more than 500nm. Guys out there running 750-800nm + on their turbos.


The 997 Turbo PDK was rated at 750Nm per ZF technical data, the equivalent 997/987 PDK was 420Nm. I was told by ZF guy that the non-turbo box would take up to 500Nm but not on a sustained basis.

I know of a 981 GT4 Clubsport with 4.2L engine running 495PS and 500Nm with no slip (yet) mind you he is putting a SADEV sequential in the car, for reasons of better track performance in his track day car. He has been running a tuned Powerkit 3.8L Boxster PDK with around 450PS and 470Nm for some time with no PDK issues. He changes PDK oils annually.


Cheers that makes sense. That certainly puts a potential limit on the tuning as these turbo engines with hybrid VTGS can produce silly amounts of power/torque when you let 9e and others near them. Its sounds like there may be Boxster and Caymans around with 500 PS soon with 9e option 4! Same with the new RS3. A flash away from 500bhp according to Litchfield which is amazing for a hot hatch. There will soon be RS3s disappearing from Fezzes and Porsches at the traffic lights grand prix!
 
  
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