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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:36 am    Post subject: 993 Tip 180k miles Reply with quote

Hi there guys, i have seen a 993 tip with 188 k miles on it, anything to look for? or should i just walk away
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

180K miles? .......... barely run in .

In all seriousness, if she's had decent service history, drives straight, brakes straight, vin and service book match, she doesn't smoke, she hasn't horrendous rot and the money's right <£32K, it wouldn't bother me in the least.

Mileage really shouldn't be a judgement on these cars. I've seen some awful <70K mileage 911s in my time.

OPC Tewkesbury has a tip for sale at the moment with just shy of 50K miles under her belt. She's up for the super value price of £72K lol. ....... and I could see surface rust on the lower near side front cill.

A lot of the expensive items to replace on these cars are as much age related rather than how many miles the beasty has done. Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just the usual 993 age related issues really. Bubbling/rust around the screens, door check straps etc.

Tip box is pretty bulletproof.

If you're going to use it why not enjoy the mileage discount.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks guys, will let you know how it goes, will be swapping my 997.2 for it as I just dont use it as much as I would like
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RC911 wrote:
thanks guys, will let you know how it goes, will be swapping my 997.2 for it as I just dont use it as much as I would like


As a very recent 993 buyer coming from modern cars with semi auto boxes I thought I would buy a Tip. Having driven both the manual is much more fun and more of an occasion to drive. Think you will find the box underwhelming, agricultural and it makes the car feel much slower than it is. Hold out for a really good manual where the box is one of the best things about the car

If it was a daily the tip would be a good shout and I think it works well in a cab too.

Will probably get shot for this but just giving the view of a recent convert!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don’t be put off by the tip if that’s what you are interested in. I think it’s similar to the box on the 964. There’s a write up on the Williams Crawford website which extols the virtues of the tip transmission.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wozy wrote:
180K miles? .......... barely run in .

In all seriousness, if she's had decent service history, drives straight, brakes straight, vin and service book match, she doesn't smoke, she hasn't horrendous rot and the money's right <£32K, it wouldn't bother me in the least.

Mileage really shouldn't be a judgement on these cars. I've seen some awful <70K mileage 911s in my time.

OPC Tewkesbury has a tip for sale at the moment with just shy of 50K miles under her belt. She's up for the super value price of £72K lol. ....... and I could see surface rust on the lower near side front cill.

A lot of the expensive items to replace on these cars are as much age related rather than how many miles the beasty has done. Thumb


I’d totally echo Wozy here. I purchased my 993 at a mileage of 150k. Now, I got mine for a song knowing nothing had been done and it would require at least 10k sort (minor OCD has made this a lot more though- just depends on how far gone you are!). Let me clear though, I’ve done that work over a few years as and when the money tree grows back. So that’s always a viable route.

So unless you want to be unloading that sort of dosh just make sure suspension, oil return tubes, lower cam covers, exhaust (as per Wozy’s recent thread that’s 3-4K for a proper job) etc etc. The cars not going to be perfect and god knows I doubt many 993s would be without a nut & bolt resto. It will probably leak a small amount of oil but that’s par for the course. If you can satisfy yourself that the nastier bills have been sorted; a purchase price of early 30s would be a good buy. I’d hold out for a manual in which case mid 30d for that sort of mileage is realistic.

And if it breaks you can always just look at it. Just ask the garage queens!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattyR wrote:
wozy wrote:
180K miles? .......... barely run in .

In all seriousness, if she's had decent service history, drives straight, brakes straight, vin and service book match, she doesn't smoke, she hasn't horrendous rot and the money's right <£32K, it wouldn't bother me in the least.

Mileage really shouldn't be a judgement on these cars. I've seen some awful <70K mileage 911s in my time.

OPC Tewkesbury has a tip for sale at the moment with just shy of 50K miles under her belt. She's up for the super value price of £72K lol. ....... and I could see surface rust on the lower near side front cill.

A lot of the expensive items to replace on these cars are as much age related rather than how many miles the beasty has done. Thumb


I’d totally echo Wozy here. I purchased my 993 at a mileage of 150k. Now, I got mine for a song knowing nothing had been done and it would require at least 10k sort (minor OCD has made this a lot more though- just depends on how far gone you are!). Let me clear though, I’ve done that work over a few years as and when the money tree grows back. So that’s always a viable route.

So unless you want to be unloading that sort of dosh just make sure suspension, oil return tubes, lower cam covers, exhaust (as per Wozy’s recent thread that’s 3-4K for a proper job) etc etc. The cars not going to be perfect and god knows I doubt many 993s would be without a nut & bolt resto. It will probably leak a small amount of oil but that’s par for the course. If you can satisfy yourself that the nastier bills have been sorted; a purchase price of early 30s would be a good buy. I’d hold out for a manual in which case mid 30d for that sort of mileage is realistic.

And if it breaks you can always just look at it. Just ask the garage queens!


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OP. I'd be all over this one. If it's ligit, I'd be on it.

Look at the spec and service history. Bloody lovely and looks an absolute bargain.

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-993/manual-porsche-993-with-black-leather-and-hard-backs/7929366#/home Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That, car is mine and is a cracking buy, no stories, lots of recent work, I advertised it at what the trade has bid at it, they will do some light paint and mid £40's the car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trantorman wrote:
That, car is mine and is a cracking buy, no stories, lots of recent work, I advertised it at what the trade has bid at it, they will do some light paint and mid £40's the car.


If I was in the market, I think I'd buy without viewing. You can just tell a lover and carer of a 993 sometimes.
She looks lovely and wish you the best of luck with the sale. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trantorman wrote:
That, car is mine and is a cracking buy, no stories, lots of recent work, I advertised it at what the trade has bid at it, they will do some light paint and mid £40's the car.


Cracking car and a bargain. Thumb

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had my Tip S Cab since 2000, before that I had a 964 Targa C4 manual. I love the way the Tip drives, the tip box runs on fuzzy logic which means it can adapt to your driving style. If you have the "S" buttons on the stearing wheel it's a great deal of fun. When it comes to speed, the difference between the Tip and a manual is so small that IMHO you'd need to be Lewis Hamilton to get that extra bit out of a manual Cool

Just my two penneth .

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wozy wrote:
180K miles? .......... barely run in .

OPC Tewkesbury has a tip for sale at the moment with just shy of 50K miles under her belt. She's up for the super value price of £72K lol. ....... and I could see surface rust on the lower near side front cill.

A lot of the expensive items to replace on these cars are as much age related rather than how many miles the beasty has done. Thumb


am I naive in being surprised an OPC 993 has rust, suppose I figured a car with rust would never retail at an OPC. Not questioning what you saw by the way, just interested in how much 'OPC sale standards' is actually smoke and mirrors in many cases
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trantorman wrote:
That, car is mine and is a cracking buy, no stories, lots of recent work, I advertised it at what the trade has bid at it, they will do some light paint and mid £40's the car.


Wow, that looks great.

I think I probably need to seriously re-assess what mine is worth based on that price! Sad Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madge wrote:
Trantorman wrote:
That, car is mine and is a cracking buy, no stories, lots of recent work, I advertised it at what the trade has bid at it, they will do some light paint and mid £40's the car.


Wow, that looks great.

I think I probably need to seriously re-assess what mine is worth based on that price! Sad Sad


Bear in mind it's a C4, so probably a couple of k lower than what a C2 would be worth. Thumb

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trantorman wrote:
That, car is mine and is a cracking buy, no stories, lots of recent work, I advertised it at what the trade has bid at it, they will do some light paint and mid £40's the car.


Don’t take this the wrong way mate but what’s up with all these 993’s your selling? I get it if you’ve bought them to make a buck and there’s nothing wrong with that but it seems each car is a “regrettable sale” Question

Feel free to tell me to jog on. It’s a free world after all.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wozy wrote:

In all seriousness, if she's had decent service history, drives straight, brakes straight, vin and service book match, she doesn't smoke, she hasn't horrendous rot and the money's right <£32K, it wouldn't bother me in the least.


Hand I think you've over-egged the valuation chum as I see it hovering around the mid 20s. In fact I reckon Jonttt will agree with me on this one Grin

It's not Bernie's car is it Dont know Although I'd have thought his will be close to 200k by now worship

On the 4 speed Tip box. Personally I don't think it's bad as 3rd has so much flexibility. You can't compare it to PDK as that is another level but as a more modern tiptronic fewer gears are better. The Tip box in my 2012 Cayenne was shoite, too many gears and up/down the gears like a fiddler's elbow. It had to go.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

decgraham wrote:
I've had my Tip S Cab since 2000, before that I had a 964 Targa C4 manual. I love the way the Tip drives, the tip box runs on fuzzy logic which means it can adapt to your driving style. If you have the "S" buttons on the stearing wheel it's a great deal of fun. When it comes to speed, the difference between the Tip and a manual is so small that IMHO you'd need to be Lewis Hamilton to get that extra bit out of a manual Cool

Just my two penneth .

ATB Smile


A Tip in traffic is great but for me the manual is so much more involving. I have a 968 Tip and it is nowhere near as much fun to drive as my manual 993 Targa. The Tip brain is very good at adjusting to your driving style though but personally I always feel it’s missing something. The manual 968 was actually quicker around the Nurburgring than the same year 911 I believe, so the car (contrary) to so many 911 purists is a genuinely quick car around the twisty bits, if lacking in 911 acceleration.

All about opinions though and the number of Tip 911’s sold suggests that they are just as desirable, if not as valuable as manuals.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
wozy wrote:

In all seriousness, if she's had decent service history, drives straight, brakes straight, vin and service book match, she doesn't smoke, she hasn't horrendous rot and the money's right <£32K, it wouldn't bother me in the least.


Hand I think you've over-egged the valuation chum as I see it hovering around the mid 20s. In fact I reckon Jonttt will agree with me on this one Grin

It's not Bernie's car is it Dont know Although I'd have thought his will be close to 200k by now worship
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I was being polite, saying that. I still think it worth a little more than 25bags if it's been kept up together Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

decgraham wrote:
If you have the "S" buttons on the stearing wheel it's a great deal of fun.


Even better with the buttons in the right place.

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