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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Porsche are always conservative...

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-porsche-boxster-gts-pdk-test-review
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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krishcanag wrote:
Yes I guess having never owned a brand new car it's a once in a lifetime wise.
Also the 981 GTS is slower than my TTS so I cannot understand spending 30k and part exchange for a slower car.

The new GTS is my only option the gt2/3/4 are all above my ability.

My guess is in 5 years the ttrs would be worth 40% while I expect the new GTS to be 55% maybe, assuming 40000 miles. Would anyone disagree?

Krish


A Little bit of naivety there Krish if you don't mind me saying.... speed is relative and not even the be all and end all. I've been in and owned much faster cars but whether I can in reality drive them faster or have more fun is a different question. The margin between a TTRS and 981 in the real world is more than offset by other factors. I guess however as Iv'e already expressed that comparing the TTRS to the 4 pot 718 turbo motor is a closer challenge. Personally I would rather have 50 less BHP but a NA power delivery and associated orgasmic soundtrack that a turbo engine can only dream of Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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GTS PDK 0-60 is 4.1 seconds. But as others have said that’s not what it’s about. Car ownership is about so much more than that. The 981 Boxster S was 4.2 seconds.


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On auto trader or Porsche a 981 GTS with pdk it says 4.8 sec 340hp

The new one is 4.1 which is fast enough for me my original question was if both depreciate give or take 15% difference between them I may go with ttrs if it's more like 25 % difference between the new Cayman GTS and ttrs over five years I would take higher monthly payments to buy the GTS
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You are just Not getting it or the advice the good folks are giving you..... are you ?
Are you on the Audi TT forum asking the opposite questions ....?

You are quoting 0-60 times .... these are of no consequence at all in the real world or do these really matter to you? If so .... why ? Everyone of us likes to get the food down but there is nothing like hooking up the flowing bends on your favourite stretch of road .... I don’t know any one who times himself along their piece of asphalt!

Just buy the Audi save a few green ones and you can drive it , while always wondering ‘I wonder how much better the GTS would have been on that stretch?”
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayman-s/7366/porsche-cayman-gts-review-price-and-video

This link confirms that 981 Cayman GTS takes 4.8 sec with pdk.

In UK roads doing fast cornering on country roads is not something I would do much of, too risky for cyclists. But in Swiss and maybe Italy that would be great but I am not going there often. I drove to grindweld Switzerland in the TTS, very nice. The old GTS sounds great drives well no doub.the new GTS may sound better than the S, but no where as good as the ttrs, but all other factors in its favour over the ttrs even though it's slower. If the new GTS had the old engine and was improved, no debate as to which one.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well regardless of which time is accurate I think you’re completely missing the point. The better car is not defined by this figure. It’s about the experience, the feel of the interior, how you feel when you’re driving it, how it handles. You should drive both cars or all cars and make your mind up from that. Not from 0-60, that’s for bragging rights.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guys, I still want to go for the GTS but I want you experienced Porsche guys honest opinion on if you were in my shoes which GTS would you buy?
The old 981 GTS approx 64k or new GTS 71k?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a 981 GTS for less than that, I picked up a high spec OPC car with nearly 3 years warranty for £55k back in Feb Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price for the 981 seems steep. I can't see how they have increased in value to that extent.

The 718 is a stonking car. Having not been a Porsche owner when I had the 718S for a day I wasn't really bothered about all the fuss reference the noise versus the NA car. The turbo sounded fine to me and went like a rocket!
However, having been a 997 C4S owner for 11 months I can't say I am keen on the turbo engine as much now.

If you are not bothered about the engine noise I would say go for the 718 GTS. Enjoy the experience of owning your own spec car there is something about that experience even if it is an expensive one Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can get a 981 GTS for less than that, I picked up a high spec OPC car with nearly 3 years warranty for £55k back in Feb Thumb


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What depreciation Floor

You really have to get a drive in one, I had a fully loaded 718 boxster S for 3 days and there is no way I could own one after the 981 GTS. Believe me I would be the first in the queue for a 718 GTS if I actually wanted one.......

But if a new car is your priority a 981 will simply not do it for you and then you have a dilemma. To me the 718 is a step back in terms of driving experience not a step forward and it grates me that I simply cannot just tell you to get the 718 as I should frustrated

The problem I have is that I’ve never been into Audi’s, I would much prefer a BMW or Mercedes over them Bandit
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
What depreciation Floor

You really have to get a drive in one, I had a fully loaded 718 boxster S for 3 days and there is no way I could own one after the 981 GTS. Believe me I would be the first in the queue for a 718 GTS if I actually wanted one.......

But if a new car is your priority a 981 will simply not do it for you and then you have a dilemma. To me the 718 is a step back in terms of driving experience not a step forward and it grates me that I simply cannot just tell you to get the 718 as I should frustrated

The problem I have is that I’ve never been into Audi’s, I would much prefer a BMW or Mercedes over them Bandit



From the comments of many and also my experience of the Cayman S sound, I am sadly left with no choice but to go with the ttrs, even if the depreciation is more. I don't see the new GTS been as loved by anyone who has heard the 981 GTS sound. Maybe the next version of the 718 will sound better
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Krish - Does a TTRS sound better than a Cayman GTS then?

It is an affliction of turbos that they will never sound as good as an n/a car :-(

There are some exceptions - the old 993 GT2s at full chat on a race circuit sounded absolutely epic.

The 718 sound has been compared to that of a Subaru. Not that incredible really given they both share turbo-charged flat 4s. Personally I am a fan of the Subaru sound so I doubt the 718 sounds bad at all. The 718 has an incredible chassis and will almost certainly runs rings around a TTRS for driving pleasure and enjoyment. On a circuit, a 718 GTS will be capable of setting very fast lap times - that I have no doubt.

Given you are about to sink an awful lot of your hard-earned into a new car, may I make a little suggestion? Book yourself on a driving experience half day at the Porsche Experience Centre, Silverstone. You will have a wonderful time and come away knowing for certain whether you could love a 718 or not. I had a half day in a 981 GTS and it made me appreciate that the car's inherent abilities so way exceed my own that even when I think I'm pressing on, the car is no where near its limits. Very comforting. The brake-test alone, after a full-bore launch-control start on their little 'drag-strip', will make you rethink what really good brakes feel like...

Best wishes for what I know is a very tricky decision!

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really tempted to go look at a 981 GTS N/A myself. Would be trading the atom though.... I originally went for the atom as I wanted something wildly different to my 996T not sure if a cayman would be 'different' enough.... Would just be more usable. My 996 seems to spend most its life at fearnsport these days so I am just longing for a car I can just jump in and drive.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

krishcanag wrote:

The TTS 0-60 4.6 sec
981 GTS 0-60 4.8 sec
Ttrs 3.6 sec not 3.7
New Cayman GTS 4.1 sec


You seem to be deciding your purchase based on a game of "Top Trumps"!

I think you'd be missing out on a lot of driving enjoyment by concentrating so much on 0-60 times. The difference will only be from the traction of 4WD anyway - I really don't believe that the TTS would be faster overall in normal driving.

Without wishing to disrespect your current car, to me a TTS is just a 'Golf R in a tracksuit' but the Cayman is a true sports car.

Try and get an extended test drive so that you can feel the Cayman come alive in a way that a TTS never will.

FWIW I'd go for the 981 Cayman GTS every time. NA + mid-engine + RWD vs turbo + front-engine + AWD. No contest!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well guys, in the end the Porsche won, even with that engine. If I am buying a new car and going to keep it it might as well be the Porsche over the ttrs. Even if it's the better all-round multi purpose car.
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You won’t regret it. I’ve finally managed to get my brother in a Porsche after many years of powerful BMW’s, Mercs etc... and he know realises he has missed out badly.

You obviously enjoy a turbo power delivery and the thrill it provides so a 781 will be right up your street. Enjoy and let us know which model and spec you decide on

Ps welcome to the porsche options game Hand and get dual climate (don’t ask)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am certain you wont regret it!

Have fun getting the options you want and do be a little vague when discussing it with the salesman and should be able to get a trip to the Porsche Experience Center into the mix.

Hope to hear more about your Porsche purchase journey and how much you love your new car Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911tom wrote:
I'm really tempted to go look at a 981 GTS N/A myself. Would be trading the atom though.... I originally went for the atom as I wanted something wildly different to my 996T not sure if a cayman would be 'different' enough.... Would just be more usable. My 996 seems to spend most its life at fearnsport these days so I am just longing for a car I can just jump in and drive.

Sorry for the thread hijack!
Hand Tom

We have a 718 S coming new next month as a shop car. Kline and 9e are working on sorting out the sound, tuning will happen shortly along with other aftermarket goodies.

Think 450ps Cayman Grin
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That sounds awesome Ken. I’m subscribed to that! Cayman platform with gt3 power, that will make a seriously quick car.
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