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wasz
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted an extinguisher too but I totted up and it was going to be hundreds.

So I made my own simple bracket for the factory mounts and used a new similar 1kg Kidde extinguisher that's £20 on Amazon.

The Kidde extinguisher is just like the Gloria, but the supplied mount puts the handle forwards annoyingly.

I flipped it over so the handle is on the other side since this pic.




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your installation is very neat - nicely done.

I reckon OEM parts from Porsche and Mercedes (unless Merc is a fortune for the cradle) including extinguisher would be less than a ton.

I’m on my way to Paris as I type this but will sort out part numbers and prices when I’m back.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key part that you need from Porsche is the mounting bracket that matches the untapped holes which are present on the seat base, you can choose to get bolts and so on from Porsche at the same time, but my suspicion is that they'd be rather cheaper elsewhere. For the sake of completeness, I'll include them.

Porsche parts:
999 141 028 02 x 3 = T25 headed M5 bolts to mount metal bracket to seat frame
996 521 674 00 (LHD) or 996 521 673 00 (RHD) x 1 = metal mounting bracket

Now we're into Mercedes parts:
A0019942845 x 2 These are labelled "part 17" on the Porsche diagram, they're the folded metal clasps that the screws go into which hold the cradle to the mounting bracket
A3019900042 x 2 Countersunk washers
N000000000509 x 2 Screws, which along with the washers secure the cradle to the bracket, screwing into the part 17's.
A0008660214 x 1 This is the cradle itself
Gloria P1DB - this is a specific shape of extinguisher which you'll need, others won't fit the cradle. I bought mine here https://www.expert-security.de/gloria-autoloescher-p-1-db-mit-kfz-halter.html

I bought everything apart from the actual cradle new, and as I mentioned before as long as cradle, new, from MB is not huge money all the parts including the extinguisher should come in well under £100.

You'll need to tap the three holes on the seat base - but that's fairly straightforward once you've unbolted the seat and tipped it backward.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently fitted a Brey Krause very well made - bracket approx. £110 + fire extinguisher £15 from ECP jobs a good 'un

Purchased after my Dino caught fire coming back from AutoItalia @ Brooklands a couple of years ago! It does happen!
 



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is an easier solution than all of this though. I have a Mangiafuoco - it is a single use device like a baton flare that (once you pull the pin) produces a stream of flame inhibitor for about a minute and a half. The point is - it fits in the door pocket so no mounting solution is actually required at all...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the fun in that? Far too easy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dammit wrote:
Where's the fun in that? Far too easy.


It's a fair point... Floor

The thing is - fitting one to the seat isn't an option for me as there is nowhere to attach a bracket when you have bucket seats, so it is either putting my somewhat hefty Clubsport extinguisher in (which essentially consumes almost the entire passenger footwell and is somewhat difficult to use without getting out of the car and running around to the other side) or the fire eater (which being in the door pocket is trivially reachable even when fully harnessed in).
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone has an original Werner one for sale then please let me know...looks uber Cool IMHO Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werner?
 
  
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Marky911
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Werner are the makers of the factory fit GT3 ones. Thumb

Great info Neil. The other options posted are perfectly fine too but like you say, where's the fun in that. The OCD OEM hunt is the best bit.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco - Where did you buy your flare type?
Their website is all in Italian and eBay brings up nothing.

I may buy one until I sort a Dammit style installation.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Ze Werner".

My wife detests it. Me, I love the fact that it is so Motorsport impractical (passenger wise) but hopefully will do a super job. Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are those plumbed in, so you only need to trigger it, or do you need to get it out and point it*?

*fnar
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No not plumbed so you have to lift (what is a considerable weight) it from across the bucket seat or get out and run around the other side to remove it. I have put a pull cord for speed on mine now to release the pins that hold the clips in place.

The bracket is bolted to the floor.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pip1968 wrote:
"Ze Werner".

My wife detests it. Me, I love the fact that it is so Motorsport impractical (passenger wise) but hopefully will do a super job. Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
Disco - Where did you buy your flare type?
Their website is all in Italian and eBay brings up nothing.

I may buy one until I sort a Dammit style installation.


A friend who at the time was running an Elise alerted me to a group buy on one of their owners forums and I piggy backed on to that. Sparco do a rebranded version of them too, but basically you are going to have to go hunting with Google for a supplier as nobody mainstream over here seems to import them (use fire eater in your search as forum traffic tends to use the English translation). Objectively - they are expensive for a single use non-recyclable extinguisher and while they have plenty of fans they are not going to do a materially better job of controlling a fire than a bog standard off-the-shelf dry powder unit. Personally though I like the idea of it fitting in the door pocket, because if I ever need to use one I plan to be outside standing next to that open door before I would give any thought to fighting a fire. And if I were to be trapped in the car I absolutely would be able to reach it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.negozioequo.com/it/inibitore-di-fiamma-mangiafuoco-da-100-secondi
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this the other day:



Which is a C55, the same (apart from being LHD) as my car.

So I just called Mercedes and talked to their parts dept. who sent me this:



And I'm about to make an order for all the extinguisher bits - probably ~£80.

I'll cross reference what I get for the C55 with what is needed for the Porsche and post up a better list of part numbers and prices.

For reference the cradle is £26, and I think that's the most expensive part.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my Mercedes parts order today - couple of interesting things.

Firstly, I think I can probably put up a definitive parts list now - but, and it's significant - the cradle that I used appears to be NLA, I suspect because the design of fire extinguisher itself has changed.

If you want ease of ordering then you should therefore order these parts:

From Porsche
996 521 673 00 RHD bracket (puts extinguisher on the passenger seat)

From Mercedes
A301 990 00 42 Washers (x2)
A203 868 04 12 Fire extinguisher cradle
N000000 001527 Screws to hold bracket to seat (x4)

From wherever
rivets+rivet gun
Gloria ABC 1kg Fire Extinguisher

Or if you want to use the older cradle as I have:

From Porsche
996 521 673 00 RHD bracket (puts extinguisher on the passenger seat)

From Mercedes
A001 994 28 45 Clip nuts (x2)
A301 990 00 42 Washers (x2)
N000000 000509 Screws to hold cradle to bracket (x2)
N000000 001527 Screws to hold bracket to seat (x4)

From eBay
A000 866 02 14 Extinguisher cradle
Gloria Fire Extinguisher from here: https://www.expert-security.de/gloria-autoloescher-p-1-db-mit-kfz-halter.html
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the assembled Mercedes parts, without the cradle - showing all the fastenings:



Here's the new cradle:




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