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madge
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
What could you have bought it for Dont know


It was from someone who is/was a forum member so I won't get into specifics but there would be a decent gain, assuming it's just gone for 80.

In the end I overpaid for the one I bought, so I'm probably still in the red on that one and down on both ends of the deal. Going for the 'cheaper' NB option has worked out to be more expensive in the end.

Oh well, you live and learn. Can't get every decision 100% right. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madge wrote:
Zingari wrote:
What could you have bought it for Dont know


It was from someone who is/was a forum member so I won't get into specifics but there would be a decent gain, assuming it's just gone for 80.

In the end I overpaid for the one I bought, so I'm probably still in the red on that one and down on both ends of the deal. Going for the 'cheaper' NB option has worked out to be more expensive in the end.

Oh well, you live and learn. Can't get every decision 100% right. Sad


It’s always a gamble. I’ve spent £16k+ on mine after buying it 18-months ago. Am about to do a 3.8 full rebuild too. Absolutely love the car so I’m still happy.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 993 Reply with quote

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To be fair the 993 C2S sold 3/4 weeks ago and hasn't been collected yet. I accidently deleted it from the website and merely uploaded it again today. The 4S on the other hand was advertised today and sold today. What a car !!!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Letters page in the latest classic car magazine:




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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Am I missing something with these 'S' models?

Values now seem to be getting very close to the turbo cars with like for like mileage.

Does this make the turbos seem underpriced or the 'S' overpriced?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) better looking than the turbo ie without the rear wing
2) better sounding than the turbo ie n.a. will always sound better
3) better looking than the narrow bodies
4) better spec than narrow bodies
5) rarer

All imho of course.

When I bought in early 2013 wb none turbo where c£10k more than similar mileage and condition nb. I figured the gap would widen over time as the market will always favour looks , spec and rarity over weight and speed Hand

So yes it's heavier and slower than a nb Floor
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m119cars wrote:
Am I missing something with these 'S' models?

Values now seem to be getting very close to the turbo cars with like for like mileage.

Does this make the turbos seem underpriced or the 'S' overpriced?


Turbos don’t do it for me. The 993 Turbo is probably the best looking aero kit of all the 911 turbos but I dislike the big wings and think it spoils the lines of the car. Also not a fan of the way turbo cars deliver the power. Outright speed is not that important to me in a 20 year old car. Turbo is also 4wd which is for LBGT people. thumbsup

Are there less WB manual 2wd cars than turbos?

I do like the exaggerated lines of the wide body cars and to me they look perfect. I’d have a NB over a turbo though. Lowered a little so it looks more menacing.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m119cars wrote:
Am I missing something with these 'S' models?

Values now seem to be getting very close to the turbo cars with like for like mileage.

Does this make the turbos seem underpriced or the 'S' overpriced?


This has been said by many over the years so you aren’t alone.

Fact as was back then and today remains is that yes the price for a very good S widebody n/a car is crossing in to the lower/mid price point for turbos. However, take a like for like very good turbo and it’s still priced considerably higher.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Letters page in the latest classic car magazine:





This is like complaining that you'd turn away Kelly Brook because she makes a mess around the house, puts brown sauce on her chips instead of ketchup and takes ages to do The Times crossword.

Who wouldn't make a few small allowances for an absolute stunner in the looks department?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

carkid wrote:
Letters page in the latest classic car magazine:





So it really is smoke and mirrors with the Emperor Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I. the turbo is the best looking wide-body car (after the GT2)
II. the turbo still sounds 'air-cooled' thumbsup
III. better looking than the S models without the aero-kit
IV. better spec than most 993 models (except Highway's)
V. nearly 50% more beans under the driver's right foot than an n/a car
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VI. with the exception of two turbos, the Jolly Boyos all drove narrow body cars
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There’s me being kind to turbo prices too Cool

The mighty 4S is just as well optioned and wins hands down in the looks department as it doesn’t have that daft melted wing on its arse.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the daft 'functional wing' is also that shape as the massive intercooler simply does not fit in the engine bay: A regular 993 lid would not be able to close over the contents of the turbo's rear...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct, no one said its not functional, just that it detracts from the lines of the car Hand

Anyway, thats why the NA WB cars (especially the 4S which is way rarer and better specced than the 2S Cool ) are so sought after ..... which is after all the question that was asked Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tim993 wrote:
the daft 'functional wing' is also that shape as the massive intercooler simply does not fit in the engine bay: A regular 993 lid would not be able to close over the contents of the turbo's rear...


Sure sign of there being too much crap back there Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a post apocalyptic world, where you WB fatties have battled to take control of civilisation, and in doing so, have wiped each other from the face of the earth, the NB will finally reign supreme Yahoo
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The base Carerra will inherit the earth.

A colleague at work bought a low mileage C2S from Paul Stephens earlier this year, just after I bought my high mileage C2.

Colleague was slightly embarrassed about this and assured me that my car is lighter, faster and therefore better to drive. In truth we both know he is paid more than me.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
tim993 wrote:
the daft 'functional wing' is also that shape as the massive intercooler simply does not fit in the engine bay: A regular 993 lid would not be able to close over the contents of the turbo's rear...


Sure sign of there being too much crap back there Grin


Dom - stop it! Hand you are currently suffering from the lurgy so can't be trusted to post reliably at the moment... Smile
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