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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just fitted mine this afternoon. I was a bit lazy (because I couldn't find the power wires in the upper wiring loom) and took power from the cigarette lighter socket cables for the accelerometer. My only concern is that this isn't ignition switched so there may be a draw on the battery when the car's locked but I can't imagine it draws thaaaat much power. I guess we'll see...

I was getting about 0.3v difference between the two CAN cables at the plug for the accelerometer - does that sound correct?

In terms of the ride change, it's not a dramatic difference in normal mode but it feels like it's taken some of "crashiness" out of bumps. Sport mode is definitely more usable on the road and the car feels less wallowy (not that it was very before!)

I think I'll withhold final judgement until I can drive it on some more entertaining roads tomorrow.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fitted mine today, use the power from the switch panel. That is red with a grey tracer as the instructions and is ignition switched. The earth has an eye on it that goes on the stud holding the airbag unit. I removed my complete centre console as it made access so much easier and took advantage to do a couple of other jobs at the same time.
Took it for a drive, sport now only switches sport mode on and doesn’t switch the shocks as well as before. They have to be individually switched now. No big deal but it is different. It is different describes how I feel about the ride. Now I only did twenty odd miles so not a full road test! I think sport now is much more useable and is what it should have been originally, but normal is way too tame, I know it is for american taste but too much. Drives like our Passat now. Too much lean and body roll. I will have to play with the programming I think. Is it worth £1300 ? No, I’m afraid not, not as it stands anyway. I reserve judgement as to whether I can get a reasonable compromise in “normal” mode. Please note though this is not in any way being laid at the door of the team at 9e they have been excellent but at the US manufacturer. I will revisit this thread after a few hundred miles and see if my view has changed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you must have a problem with your set up as on my car it's totally different. In Sport it is a lot more supple but in normal mode it is very flat in the corners and body roll is virtually eliminated, it's also a lot more 'comfortable' to drive.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After another couple of hours of normal driving, I think my feelings about the system have improved. To begin with, I think I was focusing too much for a difference in the ride over broken road surfaces (thanks to there being so many of them everywhere...) and it doesn't really make much difference to them.

However, while driving along normal roads and thinking about other things, on several occasions I've been struck by how nice the ride is in normal mode. The car just seems to flow better over bumps and undulations and I can't say I've noticed any increased roll or pitch in normal mode. I haven't really had an opportunity to try sport mode properly but, as has been previously mentioned, it no longer feels like sitting on a tea tray going down a flight of stairs.

Obviously, subjective opinions from a layman are often deeply flawed (especially after having spent a large amount of money) but I'm going to see how I get on with it over the next few weeks before making a final judgement.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's really interesting to hear a new set of reviews.

I removed my DSCv1 before putting my car up for sale last year and after it didn't sell I didn't refit the unit until I'd driven it for a month.

During that month I rediscovered my love for the car and seriously considered selling the DSCv1 as it seemed superfluous. I kept it in the car and at the breakfast stop during a Sunday morning cross-country jaunt with friends got a mate to refit it for me.

As soon as we recommenced the drive the difference was noticeable. It does seem expensive for what it is but what it does in transforming a great car into an even better one is amazing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is all exactly what I experienced, at first I was a bit doubtful about how much it had improved the car. Think I was expecting a 'huge' change but that never happened, it's more subtle.
Then I took it off and ran it for a few weeks and then I could really tell how much it changes the car, for me the car is a lot more comfortable and planted on the road, Sport mode is actually usable on normal roads.
For what you'd pay for lowering, stiffening and a trip to an alignment specialist I think it's a cheap fix.
Another good thing to do is drive a 2002 Boxster for a long trip then hop into your 997 turbo, you really will appreciate how good it is thumbsup
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
Another good thing to do is drive a 2002 Boxster for a long trip then hop into your 997 turbo, you really will appreciate how good it is thumbsup


Ha so true, drove my old 2001 Boxster from London to Cornwell once, that was hell Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:52 am    Post subject: Fitting unit Reply with quote

I am away at the moment so have not even seen the delivery.
I thought that they are 5 minute fit as unplug old one under glove box plug in new one. I have read about wiring them in and removing centre console!
Are they more difficult than it states to fit?
My car is a 997.2 3.8.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: Fitting unit Reply with quote

glenwells wrote:
I am away at the moment so have not even seen the delivery.
I thought that they are 5 minute fit as unplug old one under glove box plug in new one. I have read about wiring them in and removing centre console!
Are they more difficult than it states to fit?
My car is a 997.2 3.8.

Regards
Glen Wells


They are plug and pray but only if you do not have to add the three axis accelerometer. The main unit is, as you say, easy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Fitting unit Reply with quote

glenwells wrote:
I am away at the moment so have not even seen the delivery.
I thought that they are 5 minute fit as unplug old one under glove box plug in new one. I have read about wiring them in and removing centre console!
Are they more difficult than it states to fit?
My car is a 997.2 3.8.

Regards
Glen Wells


I've just installed my box on my 997.2 S and it is just a 5 minute swap of controllers, no other wiring mods needed on the Gen 2. thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is a DSC Sport V1 worth? I thought it was genius and took it off before selling the car. It's for a 997.2.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jl-c wrote:
Fitted mine today, use the power from the switch panel. That is red with a grey tracer as the instructions and is ignition switched. The earth has an eye on it that goes on the stud holding the airbag unit. I removed my complete centre console as it made access so much easier and took advantage to do a couple of other jobs at the same time.
Took it for a drive, sport now only switches sport mode on and doesn’t switch the shocks as well as before. They have to be individually switched now. No big deal but it is different. It is different describes how I feel about the ride. Now I only did twenty odd miles so not a full road test! I think sport now is much more useable and is what it should have been originally, but normal is way too tame, I know it is for american taste but too much. Drives like our Passat now. Too much lean and body roll. I will have to play with the programming I think. Is it worth £1300 ? No, I’m afraid not, not as it stands anyway. I reserve judgement as to whether I can get a reasonable compromise in “normal” mode. Please note though this is not in any way being laid at the door of the team at 9e they have been excellent but at the US manufacturer. I will revisit this thread after a few hundred miles and see if my view has changed.


Keep me updated please as you drive more.

What i would say is that lean and body roll difference should not be there as you described - this can be (I think I had said early in the thread) down to a number of factors including whether the springs are still the stock ones, whether your dampers are in good condition etc etc. Even worn engine mounts can affect as will a poor geometry.

I have written a firmer files specifically where the car spring rate has been changed, as clearly the settings in terms of sensitivity is based on stock. This is why I mentioned for example that cabs need a slightly different file etc. Again like the 991.2 Carrera T has a softer spring when compared to say a 991.2 Carrera GTS.

Get some more miles on it and then review again.

Ken
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Fastfishracing"]What is a DSC Sport V1 worth? I thought it was genius and took it off before selling the car. It's for a 997.2.

Cheers
Jon[/quote Second hand people generally pay between £700-£800.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: Fitting unit Reply with quote

glenwells wrote:
I am away at the moment so have not even seen the delivery.
I thought that they are 5 minute fit as unplug old one under glove box plug in new one. I have read about wiring them in and removing centre console!
Are they more difficult than it states to fit?
My car is a 997.2 3.8.

Regards
Glen Wells
Plug and play for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I liked this slip , im sure that its not …. I didn't have to anyway !!



They are plug and pray but only if you do not have to add the three axis accelerometer. The main unit is, as you say, easy.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="996ttalot"]
Fastfishracing wrote:
What is a DSC Sport V1 worth? I thought it was genius and took it off before selling the car. It's for a 997.2.

Cheers
Jon[/quote Second hand people generally pay between £700-£800.


Thanks Ken.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

996ttalot wrote:
jl-c wrote:
Fitted mine today, use the power from the switch panel. That is red with a grey tracer as the instructions and is ignition switched. The earth has an eye on it that goes on the stud holding the airbag unit. I removed my complete centre console as it made access so much easier and took advantage to do a couple of other jobs at the same time.
Took it for a drive, sport now only switches sport mode on and doesn’t switch the shocks as well as before. They have to be individually switched now. No big deal but it is different. It is different describes how I feel about the ride. Now I only did twenty odd miles so not a full road test! I think sport now is much more useable and is what it should have been originally, but normal is way too tame, I know it is for american taste but too much. Drives like our Passat now. Too much lean and body roll. I will have to play with the programming I think. Is it worth £1300 ? No, I’m afraid not, not as it stands anyway. I reserve judgement as to whether I can get a reasonable compromise in “normal” mode. Please note though this is not in any way being laid at the door of the team at 9e they have been excellent but at the US manufacturer. I will revisit this thread after a few hundred miles and see if my view has changed.


Keep me updated please as you drive more.

What i would say is that lean and body roll difference should not be there as you described - this can be (I think I had said early in the thread) down to a number of factors including whether the springs are still the stock ones, whether your dampers are in good condition etc etc. Even worn engine mounts can affect as will a poor geometry.

I have written a firmer files specifically where the car spring rate has been changed, as clearly the settings in terms of sensitivity is based on stock. This is why I mentioned for example that cabs need a slightly different file etc. Again like the 991.2 Carrera T has a softer spring when compared to say a 991.2 Carrera GTS.

Get some more miles on it and then review again.

Ken



Thank you for this Ken, I shall do just as you advise. On the point of state of shocks/springs, having had the car put on Hartechs Gold scheme for maintenance they did a full check over everything on the car as they are covering it! Front springs are stock and brand new as I had one snap, rear springs are stock but AFAIK 80K old. Shocks are all fine and stock but are showing a little corrosion now. Engine mounts are also brand new. Full geometry done when front springs replaced. Will be putting over 600 miles on it in the next few days so hopefully will be able to get a proper feel for things.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:27 pm    Post subject: Now installed Reply with quote

Hi

tHanks for the assistance regarding 'plu and play'
I was a bit ham fisted removing the old one and pulled out the plastic bracket as well DOH!

One question is 'V3' the right one for a 997.2 3.8S?
Thought mine would be a V1.

Box says - 02-0997-06-V3-9972

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Now installed Reply with quote

glenwells wrote:
Hi

tHanks for the assistance regarding 'plu and play'
I was a bit ham fisted removing the old one and pulled out the plastic bracket as well DOH!

One question is 'V3' the right one for a 997.2 3.8S?
Thought mine would be a V1.

Box says - 02-0997-06-V3-9972

Ta
Glen Wells
it says 9972 at the end.
Sorry it is very confusing but you have the right one

Ken
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:50 am    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

Thanks for reply.

Time to drive it then.

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