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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Steve McQueen was a wife beater and by all accounts a pr**k.
I don t have hero's but if I did it would not be him, know your history mate.


Do you think I'm OK with Sid James Dont know

JZM charge top dough and reject a lot of cars. This car is niche and I'd be interested to know what they bought it in at? It'll be raw as I mentioned and you'd need to be hardcore to do those long trips in it Jackal managed worship

The Border car looks very good value by comparison and if I wanted an RS recreation in yellow that is the car I'd take. Simply because it's not an RS and 35 bags is, well 35 bags Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having the 3.8 motor makes Jackal's car a whole different proposition. Sure it is still an replica RS - but with that motor and seeing how fastidious Jackal is with cars just puts this one in another league, imho.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a track slag or weekend car for £85k-£90k worth it all day long as the build is magnificent - maybe what I'd describe as an RS +.

At £110k JZM being very greedy (as usual) and whilst most of their stock is very nice I've seen some restorations with shocking standard of work for sale in there. Go and see the black 3.2 Carrera they have had for ever. Paintwork is woeful for a £60-70k car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tim993 wrote:
Having the 3.8 motor makes Jackal's car a whole different proposition. Sure it is still an replica RS - but with that motor and seeing how fastidious Jackal is with cars just puts this one in another league, imho.



Some performance advantage over the 3.6 and one that could easily be gained with a chip and an exhaust which the Border car actually may already have. You would be hard pressed to notice the difference in the motor to be fair.
The price's JZM tout are too high, the cars wont be any better than anyone else's, they just have a fancy showroom and good PR. All that glitters is not Gold. Every car dealer is up to the same thing, as much as possible ad endless insatiable greed. As suggested in another post its 85k odd as will always only be a replica. To keep a grip of reality its an old 993 with associated issues, it will rust for a start, who wants a car that will rust easily? I gave up on them years ago and moved on.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you've missed the point here. It's nothing to do with JZM, it's to do with the fact it was Jackal's car and the work he has carried out - fully documented on his website (I take it you didn't look at the links I posted). You're right - everything that glitters is not gold, but this car most definitely is.

JZM may sell some tat, I don't know. But what I do know is the extensive work carried out on this car to get it to the level it's at and the irrelevant spiralling cost in doing so.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
I think you've missed the point here. It's nothing to do with JZM, it's to do with the fact it was Jackal's car and the work he has carried out - fully documented on his website (I take it you didn't look at the links I posted). You're right - everything that glitters is not gold, but this car most definitely is.

JZM may sell some tat, I don't know. But what I do know is the extensive work carried out on this car to get it to the level it's at and the irrelevant spiralling cost in doing so.


Perhaps he should have asked you to sell the car?
No I don't know Jackal, I read Frederick Forsyth's book though does that count for anything?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jackal stuck two fingers up at the Illuminati and as far as I know never intending joining. It's his style and as such limits the sale as you need to find someone with similar taste and view on life.

993 purists will tar and feather these 'modifications' as they don't like tinkering as a case in point there are few 993 owners on here who would take the plunge on it. On a 964 you get away with it Rolling Eyes

A lot of dough went into the car and the 'sum of the parts' is where the value is and to some extent the price listed (accepting there will be a wide spread with what it came in at especially as it would not require any work). Jackal bought a good car to start with, that unmolested and with that mileage would have made dough, but went his own way. Nowt wrong with that. Thumb

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Similar but different to this car at the highly respected Border Reivers in Loch Lomond (link below). This car is pretty awesome and I am amazed it has not sold, I have seen it in the flesh and its virtually beyond any kind of improvement and judging by JZMs ask its a steal, why wont people come North of the Border.


Having seen 2 cars from Border Reivers in the last year, shocking quality and very bad customer service by virtue of this thread.

997 S from Border Reivers: engine failure

Best avoided and that 993 you refer to is worth a lot less than they are asking for it.

Border Reivers 'Caveat emptor'
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are few 'adjusted' cars that are really special, as in that extra bit. Jackals car is one, as is Chiefs 964, NX120s 993 'GT2' and I suspect although I havent seen it Isymans 997 'GT2'

Has anyone seen the 993 at Malton? How much do they want for that?

http://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/product/porsche-993-rs-clubsport-homage/
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Has anyone seen the 993 at Malton? How much do they want for that?

http://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/product/porsche-993-rs-clubsport-homage/


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Has anyone seen the 993 at Malton? How much do they want for that?

http://specialistcarsltd.co.uk/product/porsche-993-rs-clubsport-homage/


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:08 pm    Post subject: Jackal Reply with quote

Much as I like Jackals car and I really like that he did loads of work himself but that usually goes against top cars. I thought you needed acres of bills from top specialists to get top dollar! I like the look of the yellow car at Border Rapists err sorry I meant Reivers. I think I will spend 3000 euros on an RS kit with carnewal and up my insurance valuation by £25000 this year and describe it as an RS Homage thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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westcoastclassic wrote:
Similar but different to this car at the highly respected Border Reivers in Loch Lomond (link below). This car is pretty awesome and I am amazed it has not sold, I have seen it in the flesh and its virtually beyond any kind of improvement and judging by JZMs ask its a steal, why wont people come North of the Border.


Having seen 2 cars from Border Reivers in the last year, shocking quality and very bad customer service by virtue of this thread.

997 S from Border Reivers: engine failure

Best avoided and that 993 you refer to is worth a lot less than they are asking for it.

Border Reivers 'Caveat emptor'


My experience of attempting to buy a car from them was pathetic. The owner took the hump when I asked about a car they had listed that he had decided wasnt for sale (it was marked POA!!!) He basically has since refused to let me book a time to go there. End result is that I will never buy a car from them. Overpriced and obnoxious.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another yellow 993 RS Rep for sale by Heritage Autowerks - write up in this months 911 & Porsche mag, not CS spec....looks awsome.

Couple of lovely blue resto’s on the front cover also....👍
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money no object those cars are not a patch on the JZM car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one can seriously compare the Border Reivers car to this - that car has a sunroof for pity's sake. Correct cage, genuine RS lump and non sunroof more than make up the price difference imo. I bet the other car doesn't have the RS uprights either. That being said, steering wheel on the wrong side for me - be interesting to see how quickly it sells as must be a tiny market for it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about levels, you pays your money and takes your choice....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a fascinating one and so hard to value.
As a massive fan of his website I really hope he gets the asking price - I assume it's sor and he would get £100k net from jzm if it fetches asking.
Where is he in terms of outlay? I think he paid £25k for the car? He must have spent £75k on it I guess? Engine must have been £25k. Valuing his own hundreds of hours of labour at zero of course. Maybe £100k is about flat.
Anyone know/did he mention what he did with the original engine? Maybe part exchanged vs the RS unit.
Great history for the buyer with about 900 photos!
for me personally it's a bit too far towards a track spec car with road tyres on and if it was a comfort RS spec it may well have sold quicker - I think he even went through that phase with the single plane RS rear spoiler so from his point of view it must be journey/project complete and as above- spends his time now in a trouble free Italian super car.....
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Jackal Reply with quote

OH MY GOD Surprised A Sunroof ,that must completely ruin the car. It must be seconds a lap that it holds it back!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Jackal Reply with quote

stichill99 wrote:
OH MY GOD Surprised A Sunroof ,that must completely ruin the car. It must be seconds a lap that it holds it back!!!


No, but its the kind of detail that seperates it from others.

A sunroof delete is quite a major operation.

Mine has a sunroof because I actually like it, and my car is done to my needs
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