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Magic919
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gen 1 or Gen 2?
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Lordturpin
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 997.1 list was, outside History, Condition, Mileage

Musts

Manual
PSE


Nice

Wide
Bose
Sensors
Xenon
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gen 1, like the wide body of the C4S. As for the spec in my mind was thinking C4S, manual, with sports exhaust black leather.....
Anything else would be a bonus
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaychief wrote:
Gen 1, like the wide body of the C4S. As for the spec in my mind was thinking C4S, manual, with sports exhaust black leather.....
Anything else would be a bonus


Have you driven them? What sort of driving do you do?

They are very different drives because of the 4 wheel drive, not only for driven wheels, but for additional weight........

If you are a purist driver, then C2S is better, C4S is also great, but not as pure. I drove 6 cars, only one C4S and dismissed it!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If am totally honest I do about 2k miles a year, mostly bike to work. Used to go LE MAN every year so might put that in for next yr.....
 
  
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Ishay
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Options I looked for on my first 997 Carrera: It must be Gen 2

Options I looked for on my first 997 Turbo: It must be manual (coz Gen1)

The rest was just that it was a good price for a good history and not too many miles (oh, and no silly internal colours).

Other than that, I think you can get hung up too much on specifics
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS - I can't understood how 'wide' can be seen as an minor option

Given that is shorthand for whether you'll get 2WD or 4WD (Carrera speaking) it should be a fundamental starting point given they drive/feel very different.

It shouldn't be in the same ballpark as to whether you want BOSE or not
 
  
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Roger Barker
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First I would advise get a gen 2 car if you can.

Spec wise, the options to have both for your own pleasure and valued by the market:

-adaptive sports seats (18 way)
-heated seats (vital in the UK, would not be without them!!)
-sports chrono
-sunroof
RS Spyder center lock alloys (if gen 2, look far better than the other wheels)
-aero kit (for me was a must, transforms the car and makes it stand out, in a good way IMO just gives it that bit of extra aggression and presence on the road)
-carbon pack (seems like a small thing but if you can find a car that has it it makes a big difference to the interior)

That's what I had on my list- the first 4 are the big ones for sure, the others are personal preference, depends how high spec and distinctive a car you want?

The colour seat belts are also great IMO- red/yellow, I love that little touch. I have yellow, this is colour dependent would not work with all exterior colours I guess. Works great in a black/white car.

If it's a keeper I would strongly advise to not compromise on spec and get the most you can for your money, I did and am very happy I waited a bit longer to get exactly the spec I wanted.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am quite worried about the bore score on 997.1 but would I be better getting a gen 2 carrera non S version. Got about £35k to spend
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive probably done to much reasearch and spoke to, to many people but I’ve made my mind up, I can’t live with the fact the 997 gen 1 engine might cause me s problem with the bore score. So it’s either 996 turbo or a 997.2 ???
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure you will pick up a 997.2 in C4 or C4S guise for that sort of money although some good C2's to be had. Personally, at that price point I'd still go got a 997.2 as the 996 Turbo's in that price bracket will be higher mileage and so unlikely to "appreciate" significantly from an investment perspective and you're never really going to be able to use them to their full potential.

Just my tupence worth (as a non Turbo and non 997 Owner!) Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a recent prospective buyer, and new owner, I let my head lead the purchase of a new car, rather than the heart.

I drove both 2 and 4 wheel drive cars and preferred the feel of the 2.

I wanted a manual S. Had to be in excellent condition - there are plenty advertised as mint which really are not, and had to have comprehensive history and receipts.

Colour wasn’t an issue as long a I got the above.

Desireables were:

Sport Chrono
Extended leather
Heated seats
No sunroof

I ended up spending 6 months finding the right car and going 10% over my top budget, but it was so, so worth it!
 



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James M-S
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also convinced myself I had to stretch to Gen2, got a ‘misery spec’ 3.6, black on black.

Considerations:
Bore score
Gen2 likely to depreciate less than a gen1 (in my opinion).

Essential
Manual (essential for me)

The car I got (first I drove) had:
No PSE (shame),
no PASM (not tried one with)
No rear wiper (good),
no sunroof (good).
Standard (comfort) seats
Non-Bose (which actually is very good)

I never drove a gen1 S, as gen1 was off the table. Didn’t drive Gen2 S as couldn’t justify budget stretch.

I am more than happy with the experience, the feel from the steering is sublime, as is the feeling of the rear end getting the power down coming out of a corner.

If I wanted outright speed, I’d get another motorbike, the satisfaction comes from downshifting, Rev matching, and balancing the weight whilst powering round a corner on an open road.

What I’m saying is don’t get too hung up about it, you will love your first 911 regardless, it is unlikely to depreciate, you really just need to decide gen1 or 2, manual or auto, 2wd or 4wd.
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jaychief
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If am honest all I want is a manual 911, with a reduce risk of the engine not breaking !!! A few friends who work on Porsche have all gave me there opinion some for but most against and 997.1...
Am thinking the way forward is 997.2
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great topic,

I am in the exact same boat.

OP have you considered a rebuilt gen 1 or one with an OPC warranty on it?

Regards
 
  
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daz parker
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or get a hartech rebuilt 997.1 and have loads of money left?

This forum seems to have a lot of haters for the 997.1 but other pages I go on say it a low chance you will suffer bore scoring and ims trouble.

I bought a 997.1 with hartech for future proof trouble free motoring and keep the spare few 1000's for later.
 
  
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RXP.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz parker wrote:
Or get a hartech rebuilt 997.1 and have loads of money left?

This forum seems to have a lot of haters for the 997.1 but other pages I go on say it a low chance you will suffer bore scoring and ims trouble.

I bought a 997.1 with hartech for future proof trouble free motoring and keep the spare few 1000's for later.


Nice Purchase,

To be fair to those who are not fond of the 997.1.

During the class action in America against Porsche they admitted something to the tune of 1 in 8 cars would be affected.
 
  
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pcat
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manual, PSE, Bose on a gen 2

Chrono is pretty pointless on a manual car
 
  
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resigner
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pcat wrote:
Chrono is pretty pointless on a manual car


If you think this is the case, you don't drive properly. Completely changes the feel of the car when driving harder down B roads, makes it so much more responsive. I should know, I have a Manual C2S with Sports Chrono.......

Turn it on, turn PASM back off, lovely. I do occasionally leave PASM on, but on a bumpy B road it isn't good.

Do not believe all the hype about Gen 1 engines and bore scoring. IMS is a much bigger problem which causes far more damage suddenly without warning, so avoid 04/05 cars (see the details about engine numbers for the changeover).

Bore score might be visible, but speak to Baz at Hartech about what is actually a problem, and what is used by less than scrupulous people to tell you "it has bore score and needs a rebuild" against a tiny amount of marking which won't cause a problem for a long time. You can mitigate by the various things like don't go over 3000rpm until the oils warm, change the oil every year, not every 2 year service, LTT rad, and so on. Gen 1's are great cars. People screaming about DONT BUY ONE dont have them, or have Gen 2's and play the put down game. Like any supercar, they need looking after......
 
  
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jaychief
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is warranty at garages as good as they say ? I would buy one from a garage if it come with a good 12 months warranty........

I Keep getting told stay away from the 997.1.......
 
  
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