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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Widebody - Thoughts? Reply with quote

I've been thinking about going for something a bit different this time and came across the 964 below, can I ask you all for your thoughts?



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smaller wing and interior change and I personally really like it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks a lovely car but I'd take the claimed mileage figure with a mound of salt
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No likey, sorry nooo Could be all manor of gremlins hiding underneath
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will need loads of things doing and will cost a bit, but get it right and sorted that's a lovely car.

Personally I wish mine was a left-hooker.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterS wrote:
It will need loads of things doing and will cost a bit, but get it right and sorted that's a lovely car.

Personally I wish mine was a left-hooker.

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Can I ask why you'd prefer the lefty?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go in with your eyes open with a good inspection and haggle hard, that could be a good car but as others have said accept it will need some money spending on it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame its been re-painted from guards red. The bright colour would have better suited the modifications to the body IMO Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's got money pit written all over it and the sum of the parts might add up to the asking price but all that 'extra' has devalued it nooo

True wide body 964s are special Hand £75k will get you into a Silver one Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 6:58 pm    Post subject: 964 Reply with quote

Were there many 964 on F reg? I thought they were all G reg onwards?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it.

As others have said you'd want to get a good inspection done on it and go from there. Hard to say what its true worth is, regular C4s are in the £30s so i guess if it were in extremely good nick that could be a fairish price.

Goodluck.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PeterS wrote:
It will need loads of things doing and will cost a bit, but get it right and sorted that's a lovely car.

Personally I wish mine was a left-hooker.

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Can I ask why you'd prefer the lefty?


LHD is the way the car was designed. Having to accommodate RHD footpedals without altering the tub and oil cooler means the offset it a bit much and footspace tight.

I drive my 964 abroad more than I do in th UK.

As I have 5 cars it wouldnt do any harm to have a LHD one.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the honest replies.

How do we know it was originally red? Not sure how I feel on a classic Porsche being resprayed. Something like that would put future buyers off and I am in the habit of shifting cars on a bit more regularly than most, even if I do intend to keep something like this.

Open mind and inspection is a given. I don't mind spending a bit getting it up to scratch either as I think these are never finished, as far as improvement and tinkering goes. Hopefully an inspection reveals short to mid-term work to freshen it up rather than anything serious that can't be rectified by a bit of time and attention from owner and wallet.

Left hooker worth less than an equal RHD example? Doesn't bother me too much from a driving perspective although I would probably prefer a righty.

Any good ways to establish true mileage if it is ropey?

Lastly, smaller wing was my first thought, any good pics / suggestions to show me some examples and I can see what I'm looking at? I do quite like the ducktail.

New to classic Porsche's but have owned two 997's and a 991 GTS if that gives context

Thanks folks, sorry for 20 questions
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seat looks as saggy as an octogenerian's ball sac that belies what it says on the speedo

Isn't the inside of the engine bay still Guards red?

I doubt you'll get a decent C4 for £30k, I'd start at £40k.

'89 is an early car and 964 was introduced as a C4 first with C2 to follow and I've never seen an F Reg C2 but being LHD it could be it was released in this guise first? It doesn't sound lik eit's had any engine upgrade so I question why go to all that effort?

I'd only have a car like that if I oversaw the work myself or had photo evidence of the build, a good look over with a Colini stick followed up by a PPI.

Personally I wouldn't buy it. LHD is a better drive and these cars are OK to drive in RHD traffic.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's my barge pole ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not my cup of tea due to the 993 bolt-on arches and GT2 rear wing but could be a base for a decent project if you wanted to convert to a 964 WTL. As it is, I think it's way too expensive, its been advertised for ages. I'm not even sure what I'd offer - probably mid-30's.

As for mileage, there are sites out there that will tell you the last recorded mileage of Shaken (Japanese MOT) or at auction if you provide the chassis number - not ideal but would give an indication if its had a haircut.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't normally like RWB look but this 'looks' nice.
To do a proper colour change, the engine bay must be painted, which means dropping the motor etc, clearly not done on this car. The only reason I can think of for that, is to save money. if they are saving money on cosmetics, it would worry me about the money spent/saved on mechanical repairs and maintenance. I would be extremely cautious as they are most certainly a money pit if you buy a rough one.

I'm going to slightly wide body my car, but it will be subtle, and I'm also going to colour change, from Guards red, to Rubystone

I've just had the motor out and painted the engine bay ready for when I do the exterior. See images

(I bought the car from Stuttgart metal nearly 5 years ago, and still haven't got round to doing the bodywork).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

backitoff wrote:

To do a proper colour change, the engine bay must be painted, which means dropping the motor etc, clearly not done on this car.


I don't know, rip all the bits off it, convert to widebody and have it painted back to GR and get it looking like this Cool
 



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we sure that's a red engine bay? Looks like a cable or sound deadening at the top and red plastic on the right?

 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question on the red in the engine bay. Whilst beauty is in the eye of the beholder it looks a turd rolled in glitter IMHO and for that reason I'm out nooo
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