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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And at worst we will get a cash for clunkers type bid to swap out of our dated old relics into an all new singing and dancing driver less electro car.

"cash for gassers" £2000 Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the 996 might be worth something in just 23 years Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The government will find a way to rip the tax out of the electric cars users for sure. Look what's happened to diesel cost in the last 15years, doubled after most went over to it and now it's being tagged as the worst pollutant, road tax hikes coming there I'd think.

I suspect they will simply lump tax onto electricity per kWh, and shaft everyone if they drive or not.

Yep the greenies will love the new nuclear power stations coming to a field near them soon (factor in the population increase by 2040 too and the suppy will be woefully short).

The sheiks won't to be too fussed I wouldn't think but what could be interesting to see now (in the short term) is if they start to cut back oil production to get prices going again.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

My opinion is that new cars are quite boring and linear nowadays.
The fun is seeping away through the cross platforms chassis's and build quality has worsened.
Manual cars are now reserved for the special models, like its special. Shame.

1. Where and how are these batteries going to be disposed of when they run out, which they will after some time? Can't go to a landfill.

2. The cost is huge. Will the only option available be part exchange?

Sad times ahead.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all crap basically going forwards......

The only good thing I can see coming from it is us being able to tell the arabs where to go, when we dont need the oil, but we will probably be colonised by then anyway.....

And of course we will still be being taxed, the issue wont be pollution, but a lack of room on the roads.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
The way that car design is going the cars are all becoming hybrid, everything on them is becoming more contrived and artificial (exhaust noises through the stereo, over engineered gear shifts), it is probably the natural way things will go anyway. Power delivery is becoming much more linear and dull, you don't have to drive a car in the way you used to. Some people don't even like a manual gearbox any more.
So long as the plans for power generation and energy storage are done alongside it then it should be OK from a transport point of view. Given how battery power is moving forwards now there will always be the potential to make the cars faster / different in the same way that there is now, although how much will actually be achievable due to the different technologies involved is anybody's guess.
It will be interesting to see what the last of the petrol engine cars will be like, will the companies want to go out on one last great triumph or will the legislation on everything have been tightened up so that they just can't make anything that isn't a turbocharged petrol electric hybrid by then anyway?
I do feel very privileged that I have lived and owned cars in what seems to me at least to be a fantastic time for car design and performance. I have witnessed the ongoing development of the petrol engine to what almost became an art form before it got gradually corrupted by the tree huggers and bean counters.
The sale of new petrol cars is being banned, but I assume it will be another 20-30 years before they are mainly gone from the roads. Given then I will be just about to turn 70 by the time the ban is introduced, the ban in itself doesn't concern me greatly and to be honest I can see that all of the car manufacturers have already started on the slippery slop to get there anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might have to get myself one of those trash powered De Loreans from Doc Brown to outsmart this biff government!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Back to the Future, what about nuclear powered cars as an alternative to electric??

No charging up, as clean as a whistle... There may be some safety concerns, particularly if you crashed one at a decent speed..... nothing that can't be pushed through parliament with a big enough bung though... Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragpicker wrote:
Speaking of Back to the Future, what about nuclear powered cars as an alternative to electric??

No charging up, as clean as a whistle... There may be some safety concerns, particularly if you crashed one at a decent speed..... nothing that can't be pushed through parliament with a big enough bung though... Dont know


My thoughts exactly ragpicker. Easy, oil a few Politicians palms and job done! Traffic Wombles will need to be issued with Geiger counters and anti radiation suits but it'll be a small price to pay for endless 'free' miles!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

one.... point.... twenty one.... gigawatts........!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already devised a cunning plan to make sure I can still get the car I want. Apparently rubbing this in can make things grow 3" in 3 weeks Dont know so I reckon if I put enough on this tamiya 959... by 2040 I should have a zero mileage.. full size electric 959 Grin
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting that diesel sales were down 20% in July and hybrid and electric sales up.The switch has already started.If a big chunk of motorists have already switched to hybrid, say in 15 years, then will there be a need to implement a ban at all?.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shurv wrote:
Interesting that diesel sales were down 20% in July and hybrid and electric sales up.The switch has already started.If a big chunk of motorists have already switched to hybrid, say in 15 years, then will there be a need to implement a ban at all?.


As I have previously pointed out on another thread - the government were obligated to publish a plan, so what they have offered up (and which oh so many media types whipped themselves into a frenzy about) was essentially a pessimistic timeline for what pretty much all serious industry observers expect to happen naturally anyway. Tesla pre-sold half a million model 3s before anybody had even driven the thing, the price was a ball park number and the delivery timescale was to say the least vague. Stop and think about what is going to happen with demand once all of the majors launch their answers to that. When all of them are offering a medium sized electric car with 300+ mile range, with few servicing costs and of course at approaching commodity pricing - the mainstream McCar buyers are going to notice them.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.....by 2040 indications are that a cars electric range will only be increased to 650 miles from 400/500 today.

No thanks(until it's over 1k) it's fossil or hybrid for many of us.
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