And at worst we will get a cash for clunkers type bid to swap out of our dated old relics into an all new singing and dancing driver less electro car.
"cash for gassers" £2000 _________________ Audi B7 RS4 avant, Mercedes W124 E320 Sportline cabriolet, Mercedes 560 SEC, Caterham R300S race car, Caterham Supersport 1600 Race car, Toyota LJ70 Land Cruiser, JCB telehandler
Ursa911 Imola
Joined: 17 Feb 2016 Posts: 761 Location: Farningham, Kent
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:56 pm Post subject:
So the 996 might be worth something in just 23 years _________________ "If you see the tree you are driving in to, you have under steered. If you only hear it, you have over steered." - Walter Röhrl
2004 996.2 Manual C4S Cab Arctic Silver - Ursa911
Harv Suzuka
Joined: 18 Sep 2014 Posts: 1200
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:54 pm Post subject:
The government will find a way to rip the tax out of the electric cars users for sure. Look what's happened to diesel cost in the last 15years, doubled after most went over to it and now it's being tagged as the worst pollutant, road tax hikes coming there I'd think.
I suspect they will simply lump tax onto electricity per kWh, and shaft everyone if they drive or not.
Yep the greenies will love the new nuclear power stations coming to a field near them soon (factor in the population increase by 2040 too and the suppy will be woefully short).
The sheiks won't to be too fussed I wouldn't think but what could be interesting to see now (in the short term) is if they start to cut back oil production to get prices going again.
Menace Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 26 May 2009 Posts: 347 Location: London
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:50 am Post subject:
Hi guys,
My opinion is that new cars are quite boring and linear nowadays.
The fun is seeping away through the cross platforms chassis's and build quality has worsened.
Manual cars are now reserved for the special models, like its special. Shame.
1. Where and how are these batteries going to be disposed of when they run out, which they will after some time? Can't go to a landfill.
2. The cost is huge. Will the only option available be part exchange?
The only good thing I can see coming from it is us being able to tell the arabs where to go, when we dont need the oil, but we will probably be colonised by then anyway.....
And of course we will still be being taxed, the issue wont be pollution, but a lack of room on the roads. _________________ 996 Mk2 GT3 Speed yellow
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Boba fett Watkins Glen
Joined: 14 May 2015 Posts: 2217
Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm Post subject:
MisterCorn wrote:
The way that car design is going the cars are all becoming hybrid, everything on them is becoming more contrived and artificial (exhaust noises through the stereo, over engineered gear shifts), it is probably the natural way things will go anyway. Power delivery is becoming much more linear and dull, you don't have to drive a car in the way you used to. Some people don't even like a manual gearbox any more.
So long as the plans for power generation and energy storage are done alongside it then it should be OK from a transport point of view. Given how battery power is moving forwards now there will always be the potential to make the cars faster / different in the same way that there is now, although how much will actually be achievable due to the different technologies involved is anybody's guess.
It will be interesting to see what the last of the petrol engine cars will be like, will the companies want to go out on one last great triumph or will the legislation on everything have been tightened up so that they just can't make anything that isn't a turbocharged petrol electric hybrid by then anyway?
I do feel very privileged that I have lived and owned cars in what seems to me at least to be a fantastic time for car design and performance. I have witnessed the ongoing development of the petrol engine to what almost became an art form before it got gradually corrupted by the tree huggers and bean counters.
The sale of new petrol cars is being banned, but I assume it will be another 20-30 years before they are mainly gone from the roads. Given then I will be just about to turn 70 by the time the ban is introduced, the ban in itself doesn't concern me greatly and to be honest I can see that all of the car manufacturers have already started on the slippery slop to get there anyway.
MC
Given I will be of a similar age I will have an electric car, but it will be one of those 8 bhp jobbies
Endex Monza
Joined: 10 Jan 2016 Posts: 202 Location: Preston, Lancashire
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:31 pm Post subject:
Might have to get myself one of those trash powered De Loreans from Doc Brown to outsmart this biff government! _________________ Porsche 997.1 C4S, Manual
ragpicker Estoril
Joined: 14 Apr 2013 Posts: 3515 Location: North East England
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:45 pm Post subject:
Speaking of Back to the Future, what about nuclear powered cars as an alternative to electric??
No charging up, as clean as a whistle... There may be some safety concerns, particularly if you crashed one at a decent speed..... nothing that can't be pushed through parliament with a big enough bung though... _________________ 996 turbo - slightly modified....
986 S - usually in pieces: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=112626
Endex Monza
Joined: 10 Jan 2016 Posts: 202 Location: Preston, Lancashire
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:59 pm Post subject:
ragpicker wrote:
Speaking of Back to the Future, what about nuclear powered cars as an alternative to electric??
No charging up, as clean as a whistle... There may be some safety concerns, particularly if you crashed one at a decent speed..... nothing that can't be pushed through parliament with a big enough bung though...
My thoughts exactly ragpicker. Easy, oil a few Politicians palms and job done! Traffic Wombles will need to be issued with Geiger counters and anti radiation suits but it'll be a small price to pay for endless 'free' miles! _________________ Porsche 997.1 C4S, Manual
ragpicker Estoril
Joined: 14 Apr 2013 Posts: 3515 Location: North East England
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:34 pm Post subject:
one.... point.... twenty one.... gigawatts........!! _________________ 996 turbo - slightly modified....
986 S - usually in pieces: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=112626
paul987 Kyalami
Joined: 27 Feb 2015 Posts: 1816 Location: east mids
Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:02 pm Post subject:
I already devised a cunning plan to make sure I can still get the car I want. Apparently rubbing this in can make things grow 3" in 3 weeks so I reckon if I put enough on this tamiya 959... by 2040 I should have a zero mileage.. full size electric 959 _________________ "Strong minds discuss ideas average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people. Strong minded people discuss ideas to solve problems." -Socrates
2001 996 C4S - Silver
2006 987 Boxster S 3.2 - Guards red
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Shurv Albert Park
Joined: 09 Jan 2013 Posts: 1714 Location: Northampton
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:40 pm Post subject:
Interesting that diesel sales were down 20% in July and hybrid and electric sales up.The switch has already started.If a big chunk of motorists have already switched to hybrid, say in 15 years, then will there be a need to implement a ban at all?. _________________ 996 C4S Arctic Silver Black leather
Disco Estoril
Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 3843 Location: Hertfordshire
Interesting that diesel sales were down 20% in July and hybrid and electric sales up.The switch has already started.If a big chunk of motorists have already switched to hybrid, say in 15 years, then will there be a need to implement a ban at all?.
As I have previously pointed out on another thread - the government were obligated to publish a plan, so what they have offered up (and which oh so many media types whipped themselves into a frenzy about) was essentially a pessimistic timeline for what pretty much all serious industry observers expect to happen naturally anyway. Tesla pre-sold half a million model 3s before anybody had even driven the thing, the price was a ball park number and the delivery timescale was to say the least vague. Stop and think about what is going to happen with demand once all of the majors launch their answers to that. When all of them are offering a medium sized electric car with 300+ mile range, with few servicing costs and of course at approaching commodity pricing - the mainstream McCar buyers are going to notice them. _________________ Colin
Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten
.....by 2040 indications are that a cars electric range will only be increased to 650 miles from 400/500 today.
No thanks(until it's over 1k) it's fossil or hybrid for many of us. _________________ "The smallest feline is a masterpiece"
- Leonardo da Vinci
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