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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: High Mile GT3 Reply with quote

What do the folks on here think of this???

http://www.broadoakinternational.co.uk/used-cars/porsche-911-3-6-997-gt3-2dr-201707217597893

Does the 997 require a full engine rebuild or major component changes at a certain mileage?

Also..

Although there is a lot of service history, it looks to have had consecutive minor services with big gaps on the majors??

 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW 140k in 6 years! Surprised

and worship

Give Fearnsport a call, I am sure they will tell you all you'd need to know about it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunno will have a view on this as he puts the miles on his.

I remember 911v selling a high miler a few years back that had a lot of discussion on PH but it sold no problem.

If it has PCCB it must be getting near the point at when they're due a change which ain't cheap Dont know
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen this car in the flesh and it has aged well. It was only sold 4-6 months back. As already said speak to Matt at FS I'm sure he will be happy to talk but he does go on holiday today
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunno wrote:
I've seen this car in the flesh and it has aged well. It was only sold 4-6 months back. As already said speak to Matt at FS I'm sure he will be happy to talk but he does go on holiday today


Perhaps the new owner has now understood the true cost of running an old Porsche for regular track use? Not cheap! He had some great plans for track days etc.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=230&t=1647873&i=0
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: High Mile GT3 Reply with quote

Will depend on the car surely ? I had a 50k mile Mk1 inspected last year and was told it would probably need a rebuild within the next 10k miles or so.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on the first sale and back up story from owner Roger I would have been tempted to buy if I wanted a GT3.

Now Luke bought it and appears to have sold it in a few months it does raise a few questions Question

Does OPC warranty extend beyond 150k as it must have a mileage cut off somewhere Dont know
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
Based on the first sale and back up story from owner Roger I would have been tempted to buy if I wanted a GT3.

Now Luke bought it and appears to have sold it in a few months it does raise a few questions Question

Does OPC warranty extend beyond 150k as it must have a mileage cut off somewhere Dont know


Warranty runs out forever when this one expires

The limit for renewal is 125k and that's why it was done for 2 years when it was renewed just before 125k

Still 9k later the car has gone up in value Bandit
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sold!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desert Dragon wrote:
Sold!


Enough said. Question Let's hope the new owner charts their experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
Desert Dragon wrote:
Sold!


Enough said. Question Let's hope the new owner charts their experience.


Sold but still subject to an inspection I'd imagine so lets see if it actually makes it through.

If you know Luke it would be good to ask him why he cut his plans short to track it all over Europe Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
Cunno will have a view on this as he puts the miles on his.

I remember 911v selling a high miler a few years back that had a lot of discussion on PH but it sold no problem.

If it has PCCB it must be getting near the point at when they're due a change which ain't cheap Dont know


Prior to this car Roger had a Cobalt blue Mk2 996 GT3. When he pensioned it off, it had done 180k miles. The original (and deeply flawed) PCCBs still hadn't started to break up or delaminate.
When I saw the car shortly before its sale, the discs faces were wavey (ie worn in the way good old fashioned cast iron discs (with proper amounts of chromium in the cast iron) used to wear after 50,60,70k miles). But whilst they were worn, they were still serviceable.

The 997 PCCBs are larger and better ventilated, ergo they should run cooler and thus oxidise less and in turn wear less/last longer.
So they should have minimum 30k miles road use left on them (though I suspect if used solely on the road, it'd probably more like 50-100k).
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met the owner of Roger's 996 last year at Brands. He had the discs refurbed by Sicom and is still using the car properly.

I saw Roger's 997 a month before he sold it & the discs looked like new; in fact the whole car looked like it could have had 30K on the speedo & nobody would have questioned it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With checks and everything this looks like a bargain...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chaps, help me understand this.

55k for 150k mile car, its not unreasonable to think it will need a rebuild at some point soon, what would this typically cost? £30k

If it is £30k the net effect is a 150k mile car owes you £85k

Would you not be better off spending £80k on a 28k mile car like this..,

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http://www.strasse.co.uk/cars.asp?car_id=356&page=1
PORSCHE 997 GT3 **LOW MILEAGE** 2007
£76,995 (For Sale)

Black, Black interior, Comfort pack, Leather bucket seats, Sat nav, Telephone module, ETC **28,130**


What am I in missing?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crash7 wrote:
Chaps, help me understand this.

55k for 150k mile car, its not unreasonable to think it will need a rebuild at some point soon, what would this typically cost? £30k

If it is £30k the net effect is a 150k mile car owes you £85k

Would you not be better off spending £80k on a 28k mile car like this..,

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http://www.strasse.co.uk/cars.asp?car_id=356&page=1
PORSCHE 997 GT3 **LOW MILEAGE** 2007
£76,995 (For Sale)

Black, Black interior, Comfort pack, Leather bucket seats, Sat nav, Telephone module, ETC **28,130**


What am I in missing?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if you want a 997 GT3 Clubsport and you've not got £80k, this one at £58k is your only option ...
But the mileage on the this particular car hasn't been clocked up in the usual manner, the vast majority of it comprised of cross european journies, not stop start city driving. That means less cold starts (when the majority of engine wear occurs) and way more time operating at optimal temperatures.
That's not to suggest there won't be wear in any of the engine, transmission or chassis components, but I'd suggest that compared with an occasionally hard tracked car that's also used for hard weekend hooning and has been subjected to a minimal service regime, there'll quite possibly be less wear on the components of this car. And if Nick's comments on the discs are anything to go by, I suspect that'll all the other components will display similarly low wear characteristics. In short, I don't see a £30k refurb bill looming anytime soon. Ergo, as others have said, it's a cheap car.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've rebuilt my engine 3 times now, I can assure you it won't cost anything like £30k, nor is there any reason to think a car that has been driven on road will need a rebuild soon. If & when it does need a refresh, it will only be top end and will cost less than £10k.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was in the market for one I'd buy it, use it until something went (assuming it would at some point during ownership), then take it to FernSport for a 3.8 when the time came. Job done, win-win, etc etc Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NXI20 wrote:
As I've rebuilt my engine 3 times now, I can assure you it won't cost anything like £30k, nor is there any reason to think a car that has been driven on road will need a rebuild soon. If & when it does need a refresh, it will only be top end and will cost less than £10k.


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